0 stoning a decent dungeon like that is a thrill! At one point I was down to 2400hp, with 1 heart on the board. I said screw it, since I am going to have to burn a stone, I may as well burn Luci's active (he was still at about 40% or so). Managed to get lucky on the combos and got some hearts, and just had to deal with the coin toss the rest ofthe time.
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What you see as luck... is just math... If you make 4 combos... thats 12 gems that fall... you will average 2 hearts per turn. If you need 3 hearts per turn... Guess what? YOU LOSE. Thats not luck. Thats just math.
If you make 7 combos per turn, thats 21+ gems per turn... averaging 3.5 hearts generated per turn... if you need 3 hearts per turn... grats you can win!
Now if you noticed that on average, you actually just make 5 combos, then you can plan for only getting 2.5 hearts per turn... meaning you can only count on a heal every 3 turns... which means you need to look at the highest amount of damage you could take on any three turns and make sure your max HP is higher than that... or bring a defensive skill that allows you to reduce damage or create hearts on demand.
That works for both legendary and mythical... if you can average 7 combos per turn and have 77300hp, its not luck.
I didnt use dual lucipher to kill him and the goemon I put up was lvl 27
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Right, right. Because average = success. And for all the time you spend above the average, you never spend any time below the average, because "that's math."
When I'm 10k hp down and 14 fucking hearts clear in a cascade, they do exactly zero fucking good. They don't increase my time survived.
When I'm 10k hp down and 14 fucking hearts clear in a cascade, they do exactly zero fucking good. They don't increase my time survived.
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That's why I lamented not having a siren or fourth rk. Extra mitigation or hearts on demand when averages aren't going your way is 1000x better in this dungeon then a little extra damage.
If I fail again this afternoon I might level a megalodran for a drall friend and resist grind it out next time.
If I fail again this afternoon I might level a megalodran for a drall friend and resist grind it out next time.
I have a lvl 42 Megalodran if anyone needs it. I also actually have the mats to upgrade my drall, too, but it would be an abyssmally low level.
Yes, thats true. You do spend time below the average. Which is exactly why you have sub abilities...
Its also why you STALL at certain points to allow yourself to accumulate hearts, dmg orbs, and skills.
Which is why team selection and orb manipulation are important...
The more skill you have, the less and less luck becomes a factor...
If I knew I was averaging 4 combos per turn, I would plan for 2 hearts per turn being generated. Which means it would take me 2 turns to get a one heart combo. If I were running legendary... that means I would want at least 30400HP to think about entering the dungeon. Then I would see how much HP I would need to heal back with 3hearts.. in a 4combo. Which means I would need 17371RCV to reliably beat this dungeon.
Or luck...
What stats did you go into that dungeon with?
Its also why you STALL at certain points to allow yourself to accumulate hearts, dmg orbs, and skills.
Which is why team selection and orb manipulation are important...
The more skill you have, the less and less luck becomes a factor...
If I knew I was averaging 4 combos per turn, I would plan for 2 hearts per turn being generated. Which means it would take me 2 turns to get a one heart combo. If I were running legendary... that means I would want at least 30400HP to think about entering the dungeon. Then I would see how much HP I would need to heal back with 3hearts.. in a 4combo. Which means I would need 17371RCV to reliably beat this dungeon.
Or luck...
What stats did you go into that dungeon with?
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I'm not sure my team can get any better, to be honestly. Tried all various combinations of subs and it seems like this is probably the strongest team -
HQ Persephone, DD Hades, Ancient Dark Dragon, RK, CDK (team cost capped at 160...leaves me woth only Echidna, Siren as possible swaps) and 86 AA lucifer (strongest friend on atm) puts me at 40641 hp, 3 hearts heals 5694. Pros of this team is that I don't need to fucking stall, max skill ADD shreds silly ninjas, plus I have gravity (gravity + ADD shot + lucifer skill leaves me with not much HP left on Goemon after enrage.
MLD, RK, RK, RK, RK, 86 AA Luci 32688hp. 3 hearts heal for 5332. Pros of this team is 12 turns of half damage out of every 25. It's getting to the 25 that's the problem. I have the team cost to put in the ancient dark dragon here, which will alleviate things, but it seems like the first 3 waves will be way more risky.
Subbing in max skilled 46 siren into first team drops me to 36.9k hp, but hearts on demand probably beat out 4khp. Heal for 5580.
Echidna is the last option, but she's at 13 turn cooldown, so seems like an option, but maybe less so than Siren.
I'll swap in the siren and burn a stone and try it. CDK was good for damage on demand vs mid ninjas, but probably unnecessary.
HQ Persephone, DD Hades, Ancient Dark Dragon, RK, CDK (team cost capped at 160...leaves me woth only Echidna, Siren as possible swaps) and 86 AA lucifer (strongest friend on atm) puts me at 40641 hp, 3 hearts heals 5694. Pros of this team is that I don't need to fucking stall, max skill ADD shreds silly ninjas, plus I have gravity (gravity + ADD shot + lucifer skill leaves me with not much HP left on Goemon after enrage.
MLD, RK, RK, RK, RK, 86 AA Luci 32688hp. 3 hearts heal for 5332. Pros of this team is 12 turns of half damage out of every 25. It's getting to the 25 that's the problem. I have the team cost to put in the ancient dark dragon here, which will alleviate things, but it seems like the first 3 waves will be way more risky.
Subbing in max skilled 46 siren into first team drops me to 36.9k hp, but hearts on demand probably beat out 4khp. Heal for 5580.
Echidna is the last option, but she's at 13 turn cooldown, so seems like an option, but maybe less so than Siren.
I'll swap in the siren and burn a stone and try it. CDK was good for damage on demand vs mid ninjas, but probably unnecessary.
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Siren makes it much more stable, shouldda done that at the get go. Again, ninja waves are a fucking joke with a ADD, man, I'm so happy I spent so long farming that motherfucker.
And DF, don't think i'm busting your balls about strategy. You're fucking awesome with strategy, nothing takes away from that, I just don't agree with you that math is all there is to it. There's gonna be high points and there's gonna be low points, and anyone who's ever done any gaming with any RNG element knows that you can go a long fucking time waiting for what you need and there's nothing you can do to make it come quicker.
Well, that and you spell Zeus wrong every time you type it
And DF, don't think i'm busting your balls about strategy. You're fucking awesome with strategy, nothing takes away from that, I just don't agree with you that math is all there is to it. There's gonna be high points and there's gonna be low points, and anyone who's ever done any gaming with any RNG element knows that you can go a long fucking time waiting for what you need and there's nothing you can do to make it come quicker.
Well, that and you spell Zeus wrong every time you type it
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Yeah, this is a zero stone, not even fucking close team.
Persephone, DD Hades, Ancient Dark dragon with max skill, max skilled siren, RK, SoD Lucifer.
Use siren every time she's up, use RK every time it's up, full health and mobs use abilities? Persephone burst time.
Persephone, DD Hades, Ancient Dark dragon with max skill, max skilled siren, RK, SoD Lucifer.
Use siren every time she's up, use RK every time it's up, full health and mobs use abilities? Persephone burst time.
What about...
HQ Persephone, 3RK, Underlord, Seraphim Lucifer.
Thats base HP of 15320 RCV of 1300
HP: 45960
RCV: 3900 (ouch)
Your RCV would still be way too low to run this.
The MLD 4RK Luci team would be your best bet...
As for the first three rounds being trickier... I would say only the first round would be tricky...
Using your Rainbow Keepers as baseline...
The problem being... you would need to be VERY precise on your damage... if you make a 4gem dark 4combo ... you end up killing at least 2 ninjas... but without knowing exact stats, it would be difficult to determine if you kill a third or end up getting bound...
As for Goemon... again, counting for worst case scenario... (entire time during enrage phase) you would need to heal 258230 HP in 25 turns. Thats... 10330HP per turn... to hit that healing requirement you would need to match 5 combos per turn... but matching 5 combos per turn does not lead to enough heart generation by itself...
Luckily the enrage phase is not the entire fight...
The other 75% of the Goemon fight you would need to heal an average of 6886 which is a 3heart 4combo. (giving you an extra 2400HP). Now obviously just making a 4 combo does not generate enough hearts... but thats why you have extra HP and extra healing. This gives you more time to live.
I would say this is your best suited team.
edit: grats cutlery, 0 stoned while i was typing
HQ Persephone, 3RK, Underlord, Seraphim Lucifer.
Thats base HP of 15320 RCV of 1300
HP: 45960
RCV: 3900 (ouch)
Your RCV would still be way too low to run this.
The MLD 4RK Luci team would be your best bet...
As for the first three rounds being trickier... I would say only the first round would be tricky...
Using your Rainbow Keepers as baseline...
The problem being... you would need to be VERY precise on your damage... if you make a 4gem dark 4combo ... you end up killing at least 2 ninjas... but without knowing exact stats, it would be difficult to determine if you kill a third or end up getting bound...
As for Goemon... again, counting for worst case scenario... (entire time during enrage phase) you would need to heal 258230 HP in 25 turns. Thats... 10330HP per turn... to hit that healing requirement you would need to match 5 combos per turn... but matching 5 combos per turn does not lead to enough heart generation by itself...
Luckily the enrage phase is not the entire fight...
The other 75% of the Goemon fight you would need to heal an average of 6886 which is a 3heart 4combo. (giving you an extra 2400HP). Now obviously just making a 4 combo does not generate enough hearts... but thats why you have extra HP and extra healing. This gives you more time to live.
I would say this is your best suited team.
edit: grats cutlery, 0 stoned while i was typing
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Got em this time, fucker dropped. Best team is the one that kills him 4 turns into Enrage. Hades, Luci nuke, ADD, hang out for 4 turns, ADD nuke again and he's dead.
Man, too fucking stuck up on Mono Dark, I gotta think more outside the box, even if it drops my HP a few.
Also, I would like to say that this is definitive proof of the argument we had last week about the Siren. She IS that important, and was single handedly the difference between spending $5 on Goemon and not.
Man, too fucking stuck up on Mono Dark, I gotta think more outside the box, even if it drops my HP a few.
Also, I would like to say that this is definitive proof of the argument we had last week about the Siren. She IS that important, and was single handedly the difference between spending $5 on Goemon and not.
Ran Legend with Persephone and Luci leaders, Ancient Dark, Keeper, CDK, and my Dark Ripper. had 45K HP and didn't have any close calls. I kind of want to swap in Hera and another Keeper (and remove Ancient Dark due to team cost) and try Mythical as I did not get my drop on Legend.
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Lemme know how that goes, it'd maybe help defray my stone cost getting one back today
Its funny to look back on my progression in the game and see how out of touch I am with what it was like when I was struggling to make 4 combos.
If you were lucky enough to get an ancient dragon to a low cooldown... bringing one would be very beneficial as they OHKO the low ninjas and you can recharge them as you kill the mid ninjas. Making 1-3 easier... Even if its at 9 turn cooldown... it might still be useful depending on the other options you have for team subs... though the teamcost would be prohibitive.
I am still working on my all farmed hera team (need 45+RCV eggs on mermaid and 39+HP eggs somewhere...)
If you were lucky enough to get an ancient dragon to a low cooldown... bringing one would be very beneficial as they OHKO the low ninjas and you can recharge them as you kill the mid ninjas. Making 1-3 easier... Even if its at 9 turn cooldown... it might still be useful depending on the other options you have for team subs... though the teamcost would be prohibitive.
I am still working on my all farmed hera team (need 45+RCV eggs on mermaid and 39+HP eggs somewhere...)
I need to get better than my 3 combo average, is what you are telling me??
Seriously, though, someone break down the Goemon team strategy. How do you get 25x and stay there?
Seriously, though, someone break down the Goemon team strategy. How do you get 25x and stay there?
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Ok ok I am awake....
I will try to put Lucifer up as much as possible each hour.
9 messages in game asking for me to put up various crap people want for Goemon.
I will try to put Lucifer up as much as possible each hour.
9 messages in game asking for me to put up various crap people want for Goemon.
0 stoned legend with a blue noel dragon, ste, sig, isis, nep, and a gabriel with no problem. Just took time. Doubt I could do mythical without beefier stats, once i get my hermes evolved then maybe a 2atk/4hp/2rcv setup would work better.
There are 2 ideas for goemon teams... one of them is low RCV with double heartbreakers(Giant Gigas) to stop from getting hearts and HIGH HP... the idea being that you get your HP low during the starting round while still being able to take a hit and then get the damage bonus and start destroying everything in your path... with 25x. Using the active to omgwtf bosses...
You dont need to be monored for this... but the big payoff is when you use his active skill combined with horus/freyr/pheonix and nocombo for 3million damage for monored ownage...
So, i just started another try and met this setup. What would you do? Obvious goal is to kill one 1-cooldown ninja. Based on your helpful text sofar, i see two possibilities:
1.) Match the 4 dark orbs with 3 other combos. My problem is, i cant see a way to do that. Maybe i am bad at this, for i am no Horus user.
2.) Match as many other gems as possible without touching dark orbs / hearts and PRAY they dont align with any new gems.
edit: Exuse the crappy screenshot, my old android is struggling with screenshotting. Alteast youc an see all vital information.
