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Grimmlokk

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They won't nerf him, but new content will likely counter him.
Not sure how they'll counter him, except maybe having monsters counter-attack on specials. So they hit you after he nukes. I mean, as far as specific counters go. I suppose all the various limited dungeons requiring specific attributes are a sort of counter. Though I guess with a high end enough team there's enough dark sub-color stuff that even this can be circumvented.

When Zeus/Odin were looking too powerful they added stuff that hits pre-emptively to break their leader skill, Luci's leader skill is too generic for a fix like that.
 

Ishad

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Not sure how they'll counter him, except maybe having monsters counter-attack on specials. So they hit you after he nukes. I mean, as far as specific counters go. I suppose all the various limited dungeons requiring specific attributes are a sort of counter. Though I guess with a high end enough team there's enough dark sub-color stuff that even this can be circumvented.

When Zeus/Odin were looking too powerful they added stuff that hits pre-emptively to break their leader skill, Luci's leader skill is too generic for a fix like that.
No rcv dungeons like satan descended (doable with 2 max skill drawn jokers)
Athena descended-first enemy does 100k damage after 3 rounds (and he has 600k hp)

Plus they can give mini bosses dark binds, or massive damage at low hp, and have the next boss preemptive strike so if you cannon one the next one kills you.
 

Df~_sl

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Preemptive Hits coupled with 10 turn dark binds and 6000+ armor ...yeah Hera-Ur was an attempt to counter him... but I still luci'd through that...
Athena's round 1 gave you 5 turns or so to deal 600kdmg before taking 100k multihit... So I ended up going rainbow Lucifer with a spike dmg sub...

JP side is getting some sort of Monster Poison (no one knows how it works yet) but yeah... counters to him are coming... but 4xhp 4xrcv to dark is still so strong with the current dark subs available.
 

Ishad

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That will just make him that much more of a must have then.
You are confused if you think their goal is to create a balanced game instead of grabbing as much of your cash as they can.

Reducing his usefulness in new content makes people want to buy new gods, but if they nerf him outright they make people nervous about spending cash during godfests.
 

mkopec

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You are confused if you think their goal is to create a balanced game instead of grabbing as much of your cash as they can.

Reducing his usefulness in new content makes people want to buy new gods, but if they nerf him outright they make people nervous about spending cash during godfests.
Good point. Touch?.
 

Dandain

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The game is free - the egg machine is a randomized rolls they don't need to keep it balanced - just keep people paying. And yes I've done hera / 2 heroes stuff like that without a luci - But you're talking about being forced to level 3-5 monsters to make health requirements only and they slog even worse. If you didn't luck into a neptune (which was my starter roll at the time) you're in an even more awkward state against high armor creatures because other poisons in the game are not sufficiently strong to counter the content where poison shines. Tons of the content has enraged nukes that just gib you and cost you a stone - if you have 600k of leader skill nukes - they are much easier to deal with. The main thing without having AA luci - is that you will end up being unable to complete many special dungeons without months more farming leveling (in addition to the relative rare egg luck to get some of the utility gods / subs that fit well in most teams. As DF mentioned - the one "monster" in the game that has been abused by all of us who started early on especially is the keeper of rainbow - they shit out as an evolve mat with 3khp / 1k attack. It takes a lot of XP to make monsters equivalent to them in terms of hp/atk and with that same old luci they are 4xhp since they are dark - all you need is team cost to reach the insane health requirements - they have a nice defensive cooldown that scales with high health pools. AA lucifer will keep you able to do new dungeons and aquiring some of the rare event cards - without him there will be some you can do and some you can't given what's in your monster box - and the big thing - is the experience cost - it takes 4 million experience to take a 5* from 1-99. 1 million xp is not fast to earn or gain - unless you're blowing stones on king metal 2x events.

The game is way fun - but the progression on what you can do slows down rapidly - if AA luci didn't exist we'd all just tolerate it - but with him in the game and everyone who has one planning new dungeon runs based upon two of them becomes old. I've managed to accumulate around 8 rolls for the next AA godfest that rolls around - who knows how many that will be by the time it comes out. I'm sure it will just crush my soul like every godfest he's been in since februrary.
 

lanludar

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The game is free - the egg machine is a randomized rolls they don't need to keep it balanced - just keep people paying. And yes I've done hera / 2 heroes stuff like that without a luci - But you're talking about being forced to level 3-5 monsters to make health requirements only and they slog even worse. If you didn't luck into a neptune (which was my starter roll at the time) you're in an even more awkward state against high armor creatures because other poisons in the game are not sufficiently strong to counter the content where poison shines. Tons of the content has enraged nukes that just gib you and cost you a stone - if you have 600k of leader skill nukes - they are much easier to deal with. The main thing without having AA luci - is that you will end up being unable to complete many special dungeons without months more farming leveling (in addition to the relative rare egg luck to get some of the utility gods / subs that fit well in most teams. As DF mentioned - the one "monster" in the game that has been abused by all of us who started early on especially is the keeper of rainbow - they shit out as an evolve mat with 3khp / 1k attack. It takes a lot of XP to make monsters equivalent to them in terms of hp/atk and with that same old luci they are 4xhp since they are dark - all you need is team cost to reach the insane health requirements - they have a nice defensive cooldown that scales with high health pools. AA lucifer will keep you able to do new dungeons and aquiring some of the rare event cards - without him there will be some you can do and some you can't given what's in your monster box - and the big thing - is the experience cost - it takes 4 million experience to take a 5* from 1-99. 1 million xp is not fast to earn or gain - unless you're blowing stones on king metal 2x events.


The game is way fun - but the progression on what you can do slows down rapidly - if AA luci didn't exist we'd all just tolerate it - but with him in the game and everyone who has one planning new dungeon runs based upon two of them becomes old. I've managed to accumulate around 8 rolls for the next AA godfest that rolls around - who knows how many that will be by the time it comes out. I'm sure it will just crush my soul like every godfest he's been in since februrary.
Agree with everything...and I am also still waiting for a Neptune as well. I have 3 Hades though!
 

Df~_sl

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I lucked out with AA Luci on both JP and US side (not starting roll)

My US side starting roll was Amaterasu Ohkami... back when she was the best starting roll you could get...
JP side starting roll was Horus

US side... sorting box by chrono: Red Starter, Amaterasu Ohkami, Vampire, Drawn Joker, then 4 other starter dragons, rippers, and mermaid at 13th. Rolled randomly ... before godfests were common.

JP side... much smarter play only rolled during god fests: Red Starter, Horus, Shiva (during egyptian/indian godfest), Mystic Water, Baal, Astaroth, Lucifer (angels and demons godfest).
 

Myst

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What is the best use for a duplicate God? I have two Lakshmi.

And is there a Dark Mermaid? I have been trying for over a week to get any Mermaid to no avail. Is it that rare of a drop?
 

Ishad

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Mermaid is a pain in the ass to farm. Unless you need it immediately just farm voice of the siren when it has a 1.5x drop rate. The dark heart creator is REM only and has no easy way of skilling it up in the us yet.
 

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What is the best use for a duplicate God? I have two Lakshmi.

And is there a Dark Mermaid? I have been trying for over a week to get any Mermaid to no avail. Is it that rare of a drop?
Keep it. Eventually you'll want to evolve both of them, then feed one to the other for an awoken skill.

The heart-creator for Dark is only a toy dragon (the "healer" girl is poison). Roll enough and you'll get a few.
 

Fazana_sl

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I've been playing Puzzle Trooper all day, it's a 90% reskinned P&D except your team are military characters. There's just something about machine guns, tanks and airstrikes blowing shit up instead of japanese or indian gods. Also tried out Quiz RPG which is yet another take on the same thing except your fighting is based on trivia questions, fuck knows who the Japanese devs hired to write the western questions but some of them are hilariously Engrish or just plain wrong. Apparently Bruce Willis died before his blockbuster film Enter The Dragon was released.

Doesn't help that I've now done 8 rerolls on P&D and still not got better than a 3*, fuck my luck! At least on android you can delete data so it's not a complete wipe/reinstall each time.

Will get to the OP tomorrow, been away from the PC all day.
 

Myst

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Thanks for the info. I am still having trouble building proper teams with what I have so far. I can't seem to find the right synergy with the following monsters:

Dark: AA Lucifer, Pierdrawn, Amethyst Carbuncle and Black Knight.
Light: Fairlion, Topaz Carbuncle, White Dragon, Cupid, White Knight.
Blue: Sea Deity Neptune, Beast Rider, Aqua Knight, Sapphire Carbuncle, Frost Demon, Fenrir Knight, 2X Lakshmi.
Red: Tyrannos, Pyro Demon, Naga, Titan,
Green: Sylph, Dragonette, Emerald Carbuncle, Earth Golem, Mystic stone Knight, Puzzdroid.

I mostly want to know what I should invest my time in first.
 

Ishad

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Add as many seraph of dawn lucifer friends to your list as possible, clear as many dungeons as you can. When you get 25 stam clear the Friday shrine of sprites expert. If you get a dub mythlit put it on your dark team. When you have more than 22,000 hp clear keeper of the rainbow on Tuesday. Replace dub mythlits with rainbow keepers as team cost allows.

Farm tower if giants repeatedly on the weekend until you are rank 100.

Just stick all your dark monsters on one team and whatever else you have until you can use better. Lucifer, Neptune, pierdrawn, and naga are the things worth feeding first. Your first goal should be to get lucifer evolved.
 

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Thanks for the info. I am still having trouble building proper teams with what I have so far. I can't seem to find the right synergy with the following monsters:

Dark: AA Lucifer, Pierdrawn, Amethyst Carbuncle and Black Knight.
Light: Fairlion, Topaz Carbuncle, White Dragon, Cupid, White Knight.
Blue: Sea Deity Neptune, Beast Rider, Aqua Knight, Sapphire Carbuncle, Frost Demon, Fenrir Knight, 2X Lakshmi.
Red: Tyrannos, Pyro Demon, Naga, Titan,
Green: Sylph, Dragonette, Emerald Carbuncle, Earth Golem, Mystic stone Knight, Puzzdroid.

I mostly want to know what I should invest my time in first.
Focus on AA Lucifer. Get him to 50, evolve him, get him to 30. He'll carry you... forever.
 

Grimmlokk

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Man you is gonna be boooored doing all that shit. Hope you pull a decent damage multiplier at some point to keep you at least mildly sane. Because for the vast majority of the game leveling up you do not even remotelyneedLuci and if he's your leader you are gonna be killing slow as fuck. Nice as it is to focus on the end game I am a big proponent of maybe enjoying the actual journey a bit as well. Soooo, maybe get that Stone Knight up to ADK and throw a bunch of dragons together for everything that's not hardcore shit.

I mean, absolutely do all the Luci stuff, but you're gonna hate the game before you finish that whole team if you don't have a fun team to play with as well. Or maybe not, maybe that's just speaking from having played both types. If you have no 4x+ damage team to reference it might not be so bad.
 

mkopec

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Ok so here are my monsters that I have currently.PADherder: spanky's monsters

And im stuck on advancing in Fire Forest Nerva. The first boss has a ton of def and I don't know wtf to do. Also I would like some guidance on some teams I could work with what I have. Im still a noob at this so any help would be great. I know some of you here are experts and shit.