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Df~_sl

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If I am not going slightly crazy, I had a evolved blue bird drop from round 5 of the 25 sta version...

For me... I just don't see the point in any of the skill up birds ASIDE from the blue one :p

The 50 stam version can only dropped the EVOd Blue on Round 5... (1 of 3 chance to see) 1 of 2 chance to drop. I don't see the point in paying an extra 25 stam for that. Considering I can spend 25 stamina in other dungeons for much more rank XP AND monster xp...

But... yeah evoing shit for skillups SUCKS!
I STILL have a ton of CoC Archers waiting for evo....


All of this goes out the window if you are actually interested in skilling up the Sticker Girls or another Valk though...
 

Intrinsic

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No, you aren't going crazy.

Round 5 on 25 STA version gives you a 1/2 chance to drop an evolved Blue (assuming that any drop at all is guaranteed, which outside of 2x drop you're just as likely to get nothing). It can only be Blue and Red evolved on that round. I've never seen it be two Blue or two Red since last night.

Round 5 on 50 STA version gives you a 1/3 chance to drop (I'm not sure why it'd be 1/2 like Df~ says, but he's better at this than I am
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) while removing the possibility of you getting an unevolved one on floor 3 because it will only be Red and Black evolved. I don't know if round 5 here can be 3x Blue, 3x Red, or any combination of the others...

But yeah if you don't like evo'ing things for skill ups it'd be a nightmare. I always need something to put my little metals in to and it is only 44k xp to max the blue guys. And I'm sure I'll have more leftover blue masks and lits after farming for damn masks.

I just ran 25 STA again and got 3 unevolved blue and nothing on floor 5
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Malinatar

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I haven't seen any evolved Blue Birds drop outside the 50 stam...Are you getting evolved Blue Birds in the 25stam runs? If so, I need to rethink, but I hate leveling up low evolutions to get skill up chances...I get about 2 evolved birds per 50 stam run.
I had one drop in the 40 stam (Master) version like an hour ago...
 

Df~_sl

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My bad!
50 Sta is Has 100% chance to SEE Blue Evo'd at Round 5 (for some reason I thought it was 1 Black 1/3 Red Blue Green) Round 3 is the 1 Black + 1/2 Red or Yellow. Sorry again.

So its 50 stamina for a 50% chance at ONE evo'd blue + and 4 chances to see the regular version.
Vs
25 stamina for a Low chance at ONE evo'd blue + 5 chances at regular

ALSO... you get many more chances at the rare invade... (not like its useful at all anyway...)

By the way... fuck running the 15sta special (mystic knights/naga/drawn joker etc) dungeons on non increased drop rate... Even though Naga and DJ are totally worth it... its just so crushing.
 

Df~_sl

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What team are you taking into 40stam?

I know it sucks... but 4HP/RCV is a pretty surefure way to go...

As long as its not Dark :p (3-5 turn bind on boss)

Everything has shit for HP except for Black... and the mini bosses.

The boss has a strange mechanic... If you have lots of HP... he preempts a charge up hit. If you DONT, he preempts a OHKO on you...


I played around with Tengu swapping on boss. He tried to preemptively OHKO me and zombied. I switched back to regular leader after 50%. Not sure if there are any other weird mechanics going on.
 

Brand

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What team are you taking into 40stam?

I know it sucks... but 4HP/RCV is a pretty surefure way to go...

As long as its not Dark :p (3-5 turn bind on boss)

Everything has shit for HP except for Black... and the mini bosses.

The boss has a strange mechanic... If you have lots of HP... he preempts a charge up hit. If you DONT, he preempts a OHKO on you...


I played around with Tengu swapping on boss. He tried to preemptively OHKO me and zombied. I switched back to regular leader after 50%. Not sure if there are any other weird mechanics going on.
For the 50stam, I was using a 4HP RCV Black team...You just have to kill him instantly once you go to a little above 50%...The bind triggers at 50%. 3 Grav + 1 SoD does him in.
 

foddon

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Yeah, you can kill him before his turn if you bring 3 gravities, 2 lucis, and any heal ability.
 

Wocket_sl

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So since I want to skill a second valk the for eventual second ulti form that was announced, what's the "I have no Luci" plan for gold, if any? Seems like the pre-empts make Horus tricky with the mass jams and darkening. Hope it isn't 3 hours of double Uriel....
 

Df~_sl

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The I have no luci plan is...

Batman 2HP/ATK or MLD or Loki or Persephone + Luci Helper
3 Gravity Subs

Get him to just above Turning to Blue... Gravity Gravity Gravity (his hp is now sub300K) LOLCannon.
 

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not sure, but I think the randoms dungeons are 2x king.
I said this after running blue yesterday once and getting two kings.
After running green yesterday 5 times and getting nothing but the lowest, I take it back.

Also this event is stupid as hell.
 

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Yeah it is really kind of a worthless hold over all around until the inevitable Thanksgiving event that hopefully starts Friday(?). Also would love some more info on what the Horus Ult is supposed to be.
 

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I used 1 stone using Double Bastet (double awoken each, 60/90) (parvati (max skill level 60ish) athena (unevolved 50) izanagi (unevolved 40) artemis (max skill 68) ). to run gold. I don't plan on running it any more, probably just going to keep the evolved blue and not bother skilling it up unless they bring neptune's ability to something else or bring him his own descended dungeon.
 

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Water Dominion Gabriel on both ends makes it very easy. Not many people make him available, though.
Yeah, gonna pour some kings into mine. I think they found a way to "kill" luci teams... dark bind. Womp womp.
 

Ishad

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Yeah, gonna pour some kings into mine. I think they found a way to "kill" luci teams... dark bind. Womp womp.
Dark bind doesn't hurt luci in this dungeon. Stick enchida and rk on your team, if you get bound Enchida gives you 5 turns before he attacks again, rk let's you heal back to full after the binds clear. Gravity, ms, heal, ms kills it.
 

Grimmlokk

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Evolved Amat O will have 802RCV and heal for 6x per turn. So with +99 healing it will be 6594 per turn. And she finally gets healer sub-type.
 

Df~_sl

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Already posted Ama Evo stuff earlier :p not a significant upgrade. Healer tag doesnt help all that much since you wouldnt be using her as a sub anyway since her active skill isnt very worthwhile on healer teams... and healer teams arent lacking in RCV to begin with.. they lack HP... which AO doesnt help with either.

But, its an improvement...


Also... 3 turn dark binds dont kill luci teams :p Since you can just bring a damage void (elemental) , delayer (echidna/viper), or other defensive cooldown.

10 turn dark binds kill luci teams. Reactive dmg, kills LOLCANNON.

Going back to Angry Bird Collab...

Yellow Bird: 4star 10 team cost,
1855HP (nice) 973 attack (not bad) 86rcv (crap)
leader skill: 2xlight dmg when hp >50 (shitty)
Skill: 11(5 when skilled)turn heart to light (same as valk) awesome

Red Bird: poop
poop poop poop. Skills up poop. Poop

Blue Bird: 4star 10 team cost
1188HP (ok) 1025atk (good) 258 rcv (ok)
Leader Skill: 2.5x atk when Red Blue Green attack (ok for 10cost /4star)
Skill: 20(15 when skilled) 5x poison dmg (same as neptune) awesome

Green Bird: 4star 10 team cost
1225 HP (ok) 933 atk (ok) 271 rcv (ok)
Leader Skill: 1.5 ATK/RCV for balance (meh)
Skill: 14 (9 when skilled) blue and light orbs to hearts (green sticker girl) skill

Black Bird: 4star 10 team cost
833HP (**) 1560 atk (GREAT) 0 rcv (no...)
Leader Skill: POOP
Skill: 14 (9 when skilled) red and light orbs to hearts (black sticker girl) skill pretty good.


Blue bird is good in and of itself to skill up and level up... And is also great to skill up your Neptune if you have one.

Black Bird is an OK sub for a zombie team... (amazing attack growth and only needs 1.2M xp to max... but gets pretty high attack with low amounts of XP.

Yellow and Green Bird are Garbage...
Invade bird is terrible all around...

Sadly the Yellow Sticker Girl still doesnt have a skill up (she actually gets used on some teams...)


So with that in mind... I have several goals from this collab...
1. Stockpile enough bluebirds to skill 2 Neptunes (abyss and holy) and a Bluebird
2. Keep one evo'd Green, evo'd Light and evo'd Black bird for possible conditional dungeons later. (I wont bother skilling these up)

So: 25sta vs 50 sta versions

In search of Blue Birds:
25sta = 5 chances to see regular, 1 low chance to drop Evo'd
50sta = 4 chances to see regular, 1 50% chance to drop Evo'd

As the chance for non bosses to drop 25sta is slightly lower than that of 50sta... but, you can run 25sta twice for the same cost as 50sta.

A note on evolving Bluebirds:
As you have a good chance to get Evo'd bluebirds from 50sta version... why would we still want to farm 25sta version?

It requires
44,520xp + 2 blue masks + 1 blue lit
to evo a blue bird.

The 2 blue masks and 1 blue lit will require on average 30 sta to acquire. ( to maximize the sta used for this, saving the other evo materials from the wednesday and friday runs is best )
The 44,520xp will require 24 sta to acquire (2 runs of Oceanus Falls - Great Dragon of the Abyss @ 2x drop rate). This has the added benefit of having chances for +eggs and King Metal Dragons


You will never run out of things to level up, or +eggs to farm. However, waiting for Collab Dungeons to return for skillups is very difficult.

As such, stockpiling the unevo'd drops from the 25sta version and evo'ing when convenient is the better option.

Personally, my current target is to stockpile 60 bluebirds. I have 12 on US side, and 18 on JP side. It does delay my +egg farming a bit, but oh well.

I have started farming up alt accounts to lvl 20 for the +3 egg while my stamina on main account refreshes anyway.