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Loser Araysar
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Loser Araysar
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Erronius
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I'm not sure I buy what he says at face value. I mean, they could use them, but they probably couldn't use them well.
But then again, why does no one ask WTF happened to Ukraine's tanks? They had well over 1k tanks at the beginning of the war. That's not a small number. Where'd they go? Are they all stuck deep in the East? Were they all abandoned? Destroyed? Attrited in the early hours of the war? Or did all of the farmers and Romany steal Ukrainian tanks too?
If you Google for something like "Ukrainian 1st Tank Brigade", you get...nothing. That's an interesting red flag, nyet?
I honestly wish that I could read Russian, because it's things like this, and
phisey
's propaganda spam, that makes me doubt the narrative the Western MSM and Ukrainian propaganda arms have been putting out. I mean, feast your eyes on this gem:
The Ukrainian Army Has More Tanks Now Than When The War Began—Because It Keeps Capturing Them From Russia
Ukraine uses many of the same models of tanks that Russia does. There's evidence that at least some of the Russian armor the Ukrainians have captured has been put back into use ... shooting at Russians.
www.forbes.com
But back to Zelensky asking for 'heavy weapons' and tanks, so that they can take back Mariupol...ignore the obvious WTF? in all of this for a second (you couldn't hold it against Russia, but you think you can take it back?) and let's consider a bigger question: Ukraine did surprisingly well using dispersed partisan tactics with disposable missile systems, against a high risk gamble by the Russians to take Kyiv. So now...what's changed? Russia fell back and went to a more traditional approach, and started flattening every defensive position they could find. What is Ukraine going to do now, as a counter? What's their strategy here? Suddenly they need armor units and combined arms tactics to dislodge Russian forces?
EL-OH-EL
The bottom line here is that Ukraine's early successes were largely opportunistic, and when Russia fell back to grinding out long campaigns, Ukraine couldn't adapt and now the shoe is literally on the other foot.
And now my thoughts are really that...either Ukraine still has an ton of tanks, but they're ill-positioned and can't be re-deployed (kek), or they've largely been wiped out or captured (and they've been awfully quiet about it).
So I mean, why would anyone want to give Ukraine hundreds of tanks? I wouldn't. And not because Ukrainian tankers couldn't be trained to use them, but rather...why the fuck would you give Ukraine tanks, when it's likely they're just going to drive them straight into Mariupol to get torn apart? If they had any aptitude in combine arms and armor, wouldn't
phisey
be posting far more propaganda regarding their success? If they still have armor, why ask for handouts? If all their armor is gone, then why throw good after bad?I called this weeks ago, but this is the 'bad day' that I said Ukraine was going to have, when Russia pulled back and changed tactics.
NATO isn't going to jump in to help. And they aren't going to give big dollar systems to Ukraine. They aren't going to enforce a no-fly zone (LOL). They are going to be ground down by Russia if they don't negotiate and aren't willing to give up some demands or cede certain demands to Russia. And the longer this goes on, the more cities will be flattened, the more Ukrainians are going to be evacuated, and the less willing Russia is going to be when it comes to offering concessions.
And they want 200 tanks? They would just be an extraordinarily expensive bandaid that Russia would love to peel off as painfully as possible.
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Erronius
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7 years ago, people in the Ukraine thread:
"rUSsia AinT' SuprApOWer, TheY haVE no SupErCarRierS! MurIcA hAVe 11!!"
America, 7 years later:
"We'd love to help, but, you know...here's some MREs and Javelins"
I'm supposed to believe that Russia is a 3rd world country comparable to Nigeria, but who is daring the rest of the world to do anything in response? And who is sitting back, cupping their balls while Russia does whatever Russia wants?
Oh noes, more sanctions?
The US is the best-armed nation in the world...but their arsenal isn't worth much if they're too reluctant to use it (unless they're using it against brown tribal inbreds). All the armchair FOH generals who crow about how powerful the US is...well...where is all of that military might now?
There's a lesson to be learned from Putin, and the West isn't going to learn it. Putin will turn this into a patriotic war while the West still can't understand their motivations.
As I said back when Crimea happened, we should have left Syria for the shitshow it was, and given Russia a strong military response. How many of the people waving Ukrainian flags today, were opposed to any and all military responses to Russia back then and just wanted to opt for sanctions instead? While also being aghast at Russians demands RE: NATO? Well, good call everyone. Way to swallow the MSM tripe and not actually consider any opposing views...because now Ukraine is going to pay the fucking price for our stupidity, ego and cowardice, in blood.
Millions of fools led by even bigger fools. It's like we're electing the village idiots, right? Keep sucking the partisan political party shafts.
Zelenksy and his ilk are idiots for thinking that the West had their back. The only thing the West wanted was to flip Ukraine to fuck with Russia. And if Ukraine gets turned into a desolate moonscape? Oh fucking well, I guess? I wonder if Zelensky has woken up to realize that he was just a tool and that the West will watch Ukraine burn. But here's some small arms...not to win...but to stalemate them long enough that maybe we can negotiate with Russia over Ukraine's broken corpse!
What a fucking shitshow. It just pisses me right the fuck off.
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Loser Araysar
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If Ukraine is just a pawn to fuck with Russia as you say, why should we have given Russia a strong military response over Crimea as you demand?
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I don't think that they SHOULD have been a pawn.
I wouldn't have fucked around with Ukraine in Russia's sphere to begin with, but /shrug. I also think that ignoring Russian concerns over security helped lead to this outcome.
I feel like, once Crimea went down, that would have been the best (last?) window to back up what turned out to be empty words with an actually palpable response, but again, /shrug.
FWIW, once everyone sat on their hands RE: Crimea, that was it. I can't see Russia ever giving that back. It's Russia again. And I say that regardless of what people think regarding Russian claims. Whether or not people agree with Russia's views on previous territory, if you choose not to act afterwards, your inaction is basically a tacit submission, and I feel that Russia took it as such. I mean, is the West going to try taking it back for Ukraine? Fuck no, LOL. Is Russia going to give it back as part of a negotiated peace? I'd be shocked if they'd agree to that in a million years. And now that they're curbstomping Mariupol...if they take land west and create a corridor to Crimea, they'll consolidate their control and reinforce that entire coastline, from Donetsk to Crimea.
So my POV, if someone wanted to oppose Russia on Crimea, rather than prevent that outcome via negotiations, you'd had best do it early, and not let things progress this far.
And this isn't about what I do, or don't, demand. We found ourselves at a crossroads, and I don't agree with the choices that were made at the time. I don't agree with a lot of choices that were made, though.
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I'm not sure I buy what he says at face value. I mean, they could use them, but they probably couldn't use them well.
But then again, why does no one ask WTF happened to Ukraine's tanks? They had well over 1k tanks at the beginning of the war. That's not a small number. Where'd they go? Are they all stuck deep in the East? Were they all abandoned? Destroyed? Attrited in the early hours of the war? Or did all of the farmers and Romany steal Ukrainian tanks too?
If you Google for something like "Ukrainian 1st Tank Brigade", you get...nothing. That's an interesting red flag, nyet?
I honestly wish that I could read Russian, because it's things like this, and
I mean, feast your eyes on this gem:
The Ukrainian Army Has More Tanks Now Than When The War Began—Because It Keeps Capturing Them From Russia
Ukraine uses many of the same models of tanks that Russia does. There's evidence that at least some of the Russian armor the Ukrainians have captured has been put back into use ... shooting at Russians.
But back to Zelensky asking for 'heavy weapons' and tanks, so that they can take back Mariupol...ignore the obvious WTF? in all of this for a second (you couldn't hold it against Russia, but you think you can take it back?) and let's consider a bigger question: Ukraine did surprisingly well using dispersed partisan tactics with disposable missile systems, against a high risk gamble by the Russians to take Kyiv. So now...what's changed? Russia fell back and went to a more traditional approach, and started flattening every defensive position they could find. What is Ukraine going to do now, as a counter? What's their strategy here? Suddenly they need armor units and combined arms tactics to dislodge Russian forces?
EL-OH-EL
The bottom line here is that Ukraine's early successes were largely opportunistic, and when Russia fell back to grinding out long campaigns, Ukraine couldn't adapt and now the shoe is literally on the other foot.
And now my thoughts are really that...either Ukraine still has an ton of tanks, but they're ill-positioned and can't be re-deployed (kek), or they've largely been wiped out or captured (and they've been awfully quiet about it).
So I mean, why would anyone want to give Ukraine hundreds of tanks? I wouldn't. And not because Ukrainian tankers couldn't be trained to use them, but rather...why the fuck would you give Ukraine tanks, when it's likely they're just going to drive them straight into Mariupol to get torn apart? If they had any aptitude in combine arms and armor, wouldn't
I called this weeks ago, but this is the 'bad day' that I said Ukraine was going to have, when Russia pulled back and changed tactics.
NATO isn't going to jump in to help. And they aren't going to give big dollar systems to Ukraine. They aren't going to enforce a no-fly zone (LOL). They are going to be ground down by Russia if they don't negotiate and aren't willing to give up some demands or cede certain demands to Russia. And the longer this goes on, the more cities will be flattened, the more Ukrainians are going to be evacuated, and the less willing Russia is going to be when it comes to offering concessions.
And they want 200 tanks? They would just be an extraordinarily expensive bandaid that Russia would love to peel off as painfully as possible.
Lots if stuff going on I'm sure. But my guess is most of Ukraine existing I armor is destroyed or stuck in in some city under siege. They are probably trying to form up new volksturm in the west, but all they have are manpads, aks, and stingers. No armor or vehicles. Its a long walk to Kiev from Lwow.
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Bro this is so much text no one can read this slim it downI'm not sure I buy what he says at face value. I mean, they could use them, but they probably couldn't use them well.
But then again, why does no one ask WTF happened to Ukraine's tanks? They had well over 1k tanks at the beginning of the war. That's not a small number. Where'd they go? Are they all stuck deep in the East? Were they all abandoned? Destroyed? Attrited in the early hours of the war? Or did all of the farmers and Romany steal Ukrainian tanks too?
If you Google for something like "Ukrainian 1st Tank Brigade", you get...nothing. That's an interesting red flag, nyet?
I honestly wish that I could read Russian, because it's things like this, and
I mean, feast your eyes on this gem:
The Ukrainian Army Has More Tanks Now Than When The War Began—Because It Keeps Capturing Them From Russia
Ukraine uses many of the same models of tanks that Russia does. There's evidence that at least some of the Russian armor the Ukrainians have captured has been put back into use ... shooting at Russians.
But back to Zelensky asking for 'heavy weapons' and tanks, so that they can take back Mariupol...ignore the obvious WTF? in all of this for a second (you couldn't hold it against Russia, but you think you can take it back?) and let's consider a bigger question: Ukraine did surprisingly well using dispersed partisan tactics with disposable missile systems, against a high risk gamble by the Russians to take Kyiv. So now...what's changed? Russia fell back and went to a more traditional approach, and started flattening every defensive position they could find. What is Ukraine going to do now, as a counter? What's their strategy here? Suddenly they need armor units and combined arms tactics to dislodge Russian forces?
EL-OH-EL
The bottom line here is that Ukraine's early successes were largely opportunistic, and when Russia fell back to grinding out long campaigns, Ukraine couldn't adapt and now the shoe is literally on the other foot.
And now my thoughts are really that...either Ukraine still has an ton of tanks, but they're ill-positioned and can't be re-deployed (kek), or they've largely been wiped out or captured (and they've been awfully quiet about it).
So I mean, why would anyone want to give Ukraine hundreds of tanks? I wouldn't. And not because Ukrainian tankers couldn't be trained to use them, but rather...why the fuck would you give Ukraine tanks, when it's likely they're just going to drive them straight into Mariupol to get torn apart? If they had any aptitude in combine arms and armor, wouldn't
I called this weeks ago, but this is the 'bad day' that I said Ukraine was going to have, when Russia pulled back and changed tactics.
NATO isn't going to jump in to help. And they aren't going to give big dollar systems to Ukraine. They aren't going to enforce a no-fly zone (LOL). They are going to be ground down by Russia if they don't negotiate and aren't willing to give up some demands or cede certain demands to Russia. And the longer this goes on, the more cities will be flattened, the more Ukrainians are going to be evacuated, and the less willing Russia is going to be when it comes to offering concessions.
And they want 200 tanks? They would just be an extraordinarily expensive bandaid that Russia would love to peel off as painfully as possible.
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Loser Araysar
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So Ukrainians have already sent 2,000 kids to Joe Biden to sniff, as payment for all the Javelins?
The grift never ends with these fucks
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