RIP Chris Cornell

Zapatta · May 19, 2017

mkopec said:
Still its something. Others are lecturing and doing fuck all.

Its one of the reasons I don't think Tony Robbins is a tool.
He matches funds for donations to his charities. He has 100 million meals fed to poor Americans so far. He also does free prosthetic limbs and other cool shit.

edko · May 19, 2017

Synj said:
Seeing U2 tomorrow night. I'll be booing on the inside when they do their inevitable Trump bashing.

Fuckit though, it's the Joshua Tree Tour. I'll be damned if a little virtue signaling is going to keep me from enjoying my probably #1 album all-time played live.

A 7 minute Bullet the Blue Sky will make you forget his politics for a bit.

jayrebb · May 19, 2017

mkopec said:
Chris Cornell's Wife Issues Statement, Blames Medication for Suicide

Pasich added that side effects of Ativan include "paranoid or suicidal thoughts, slurred speech and impaired judgment"; Vicky Cornell noted her husband's slurred speech following the Detroit concert in her statement.

As someone with heavy longterm benzo experience, I can attest to having a very bad reaction to Ativan. I have never taken it again, it was a one-and-done, and would absolutely outright refuse and be willing to physically resist and get the fuck out of there if a hospital tried to administer it as part of some procedure. It was that scary of an experience for me. I was heading to dinner and had these prescription Ativan, low dose 0.5's . I took one and wow is all I can say. I felt like I had just lost all hope or that my dog had died an hour earlier. I couldn't even fake it and essentially had to excuse myself.

8 or 9 other benzos have never been able to alter my mood like that. I get terrified even thinking about it even though it was years ago. Everyone is different, most people have no problem.

Synj · May 19, 2017

jayrebb said:
As someone with heavy longterm benzo experience, I can attest to having a very bad reaction to Ativan. I have never taken it again, it was a one-and-done, and would absolutely outright refuse and be willing to physically resist and get the fuck out of there if a hospital tried to administer it as part of some procedure. It was that scary of an experience for me. I was heading to dinner and had these prescription Ativan, low dose 0.5's . I took one and wow is all I can say. I felt like I had just lost all hope or that my dog had died an hour earlier. I couldn't even fake it and essentially had to excuse myself.

8 or 9 other benzos have never been able to alter my mood like that. I get terrified even thinking about it even though it was years ago. Everyone is different, most people have no problem.

We would use a short acting Benzo like Midazolam plus Morphine or Propofol in order to do procedures on people in the ER, joint/fracture reductions especially. Was crazy, I'd be yanking on someone's broken arm trying to set it back in place and they might moan and grimace a little bit, but they were awake and cooperative the entire time. After the procedure, like clockwork, "When are you going to start?" Every fucking time.

I prescribe opioids for postoperative pain but I never give Benzos unless I have a super anxious person and they're having a procedure or an MRI done and that's only ever a one off. Pretty strong link to dementia with Benzos too.

Just sucks because I'm sure a lifetime of addiction and self-medicating had an effect on Chris Cornell (duh).

Daezuel · May 19, 2017

So basically doctors have been killing off generational talent because they don't say no when a celeb wants medication they shouldn't be taking.

jayrebb · May 19, 2017

Synj said:
We would use a short acting Benzo like Midazolam plus Morphine or Propofol in order to do procedures on people in the ER, joint/fracture reductions especially. Was crazy, I'd be yanking on someone's broken arm trying to set it back in place and they might moan and grimace a little bit, but they were awake and cooperative the entire time. After the procedure, like clockwork, "When are you going to start?" Every fucking time.

I prescribe opioids for postoperative pain but I never give Benzos unless I have a super anxious person and they're having a procedure or an MRI done and that's only ever a one off. Pretty strong link to dementia with Benzos too.

Just sucks because I'm sure a lifetime of addiction and self-medicating had an effect on Chris Cornell (duh).

Light anesthesia, however its referred to "conscious sedation", is a wonderful thing. They put me under full blown general anesthesia for teeth pulling and I felt it was all a bit too much for a small boy, as I was in recovery for quite a while. And then you glance at possible long-term complications of such a heavy amount of anesthetic and you're like "over some teeth? come on."

Aware of the costs of benzos on the brain, and the British lawsuits where most of the government anti-benzo action went down at in 1990? or so. I just had no options for insomnia at the time. Thats how it starts, and then you end up like Chris Cornell in some cases where the side effects are rather hidden for years, until they aren't. And then they become very apparent.

Synj · May 19, 2017

Daezuel said:
So basically doctors have been killing off generational talent because they don't say no when a celeb wants medication they shouldn't be taking.

Lol something like that.

In fairness, it sounds like he self-medicated and took more than he was prescribed.

Also: I know what the books say about these medications, but I have zero first hand experience with taking them myself. I've never taken anything stronger than Tylenol. Some of my patients will come in and rattle off all the things they've tried for pain/anxiety/etc and I'm like...lemme go look that up! Not saying he should have known better...but he kinda should have known better?

Zapatta · May 19, 2017

Daezuel said:
So basically doctors have been killing off generational talent because they don't say no when a celeb wants medication they shouldn't be taking.

Anyone can 'Doctor Shop' I have a ton of Percosets sitting in a drawer from getting wisdom teeth pulled. 1 script from consultation. 1 script from extraction. 1 script from fillings for the hole the wisdom tooth made in its neighbor. Wait 2 weeks to do other side. 3 more scripts. They would write for Vicodin. I would hand it back saying I aint no light weight and they would re-write as Percs.

Out of the 90 I got. Only took 8-9, opioids arent my thing, I barely notice them when I take em. But I do like to have 2-3 around when I blow out my back once a year. I just dont have the opium gene thank the lord.

jayrebb · May 19, 2017

I don't buy into the whole doctor gatekeeper thing. I find it obnoxious and blame-seeking. Doctors apply diagnostic medicine and treat symptoms and conditions. They do that with medications with proven effectiveness and FDA approval for whatever conditions. Its not their problem if someone is hiding the fact they are an addict, have a history of alcohol abuse, drug abuse, and whatever else. And even if they do, that is also not the doctor's problem either. Its up to the FDA to decide as Tucker Carlson said the other night.

There are cases where doctors are doping people excessively, but its the exception not the norm. And the circumstances are usually more complicated than the media or the DEA (who has no medical authority or medical staff of any kind) could understand. Its all a bullshit blame-seeking witchhunt. I hope no doctor is losing sleep anywhere over the issue.

Some years ago, my own doctor confided in me that someone had accused him of making them an addict by prescribing them a shitty pissant dose of vicodin and now they are going to use heroin unless he prescribes them more pills. I should have laughed and told him not to worry, you can't stop an addict and according to the literature they were an addict before you prescribed them the opioid. "Great" emotional blaming ploy to shake doctors down for pills though, I give her that.

Zapatta · May 19, 2017

Yeah not buying it either. If I filled those 6 scripts at one pharmacy they would have cut me off at 2. I went to 6 different places to get my stash.

Synj · May 19, 2017

Zapatta said:
Yeah not buying it either. If I filled those 6 scripts at one pharmacy they would have cut me off at 2. I went to 6 different places to get my stash.

Homeland Security notified.

Zapatta · May 19, 2017

Synj said:
Homeland Security notified.

A simple linked database of who when where of controlled meds in the state would have caught me. Hell I filled them all in a 6 block radius. Lex Luthor I am not.

And in fairness the extraction was done by a specialist. So there were 2 Docs involved who didnt know each were piling it on. Youd think they might add it to the file they shared.

Voyce · May 19, 2017

One of things outside of his music that made me like the guy so much, was that he always came across as level headed, down to earth, everyone who met him also described him as extremely nice and well meaning. That he kicked his habits and grew and matured like an adult, and a normal human, despite his rock star status, was very appealing to me. Then this up and happens

Synj · May 19, 2017

Zapatta said:
A simple linked database of who when where of controlled meds in the state would have caught me. Hell I filled them all in a 6 block radius. Lex Luthor I am not.

And in fairness the extraction was done by a specialist. So there were 2 Docs involved who didnt know each were piling it on. Youd think they might add it to the file they shared.

We have one here in Arizona. I can see how many scripts, the provider and the quantity given. The caveat being; if I take the time to login and look, which doesn't happen all the time.

I also get a "report card" that you can see below.

Zapatta · May 19, 2017

Synj said:
We have one here in Arizona. I can see how many scripts, the provider and the quantity given. The caveat being; if I take the time to login and look, which doesn't happen all the time.

I also get a "report card" that you can see below.

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Pass the Dutchie Brah!

Throw some T and HGH in while you are at it.

jayrebb · May 19, 2017

Zapatta said:
Pass the Dutchie Brah!

Throw some T and HGH in while you are at it.

Yes lawd yes lawd...I failed my initial TRT bloodwork, gotta go back during a more opportune time. Wish I could find a clinic that does their own interpretation of "low normal" rather than the medically established one based off of the ENTIRE population including geriatrics...

Vanderhoof · May 19, 2017

It's a providers decision to prescribe medication and their responsibility to prescribe safely. I know several providers who don't give a fuck and prescribe whatever crazy meds patients want with a complete disregard for patient safety. I actually knew a psychiatrist who didn't care if his patients sold their Adderall or Xanax. He would give patients Adderall, Xanax, Oxycodone and Soma all at the same time; just didn't give a shit. It was crazy. I spend about half my time at work educating patients about the long term side effects associated with benzos. Considering they are not intended for long term, regular use, it is up to providers to prescribe appropriately.

Synj · May 19, 2017

Zapatta said:
Pass the Dutchie Brah!

Throw some T and HGH in while you are at it.

Lol.

jayrebb said:
Yes lawd yes lawd...I failed my initial TRT bloodwork, gotta go back during a more opportune time. Wish I could find a clinic that does their own interpretation of "low normal" rather than the medically established one based off of the ENTIRE population including geriatrics...

We're looking into TRT at our office.

Vanderhoof said:
It's a providers decision to prescribe medication and their responsibility to prescribe safely. I know several providers who don't give a fuck and prescribe whatever crazy meds patients want with a complete disregard for patient safety. I actually knew a psychiatrist who didn't care if his patients sold their Adderall or Xanax. He would give patients Adderall, Xanax, Oxycodone and Soma all at the same time; just didn't give a shit. It was crazy. I spend about half my time at work educating patients about the long term side effects associated with benzos. Considering they are not intended for long term, regular use, it is up to providers to prescribe appropriately.

Totally true. Sucks that I have to be so skeptical of people dealing with real pain. The other thing that sucks is running into the chronic abuser that knows the system better than you and tries to hold you hostage. Acute opioid withdrawal is not something you want to deal with or be held responsible for either. Nor do I want to see someone suffer needlessly. It's a shitty situation honestly.

Fortunately for me, I only provide pain meds 6 weeks preop and 6 weeks postop, after that, NSAIDs, injections, PT or bracing. Anything beyond and it's a referral to pain management.

Sorry for all the derails.

Palum · May 19, 2017

Sebudai said:
Been in the process of deciding where to hang this just this week.

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cyrusreij · May 20, 2017

RIP Chris Cornell

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