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Phazael

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I bet you take Jehovah's witnesses at their word too. Ever try thinking for yourself? This is the science thread, so if you don't want to science then GTFO.

The problem presents an interesting paradox depending on how it is worded/interpreted.

Hardly, since I am an atheist...
I am just annoyed at the amount of effort being directed at him when he obviously fails to grasp even the basics of the physics behind flight. But, part of it is that I do not find aerodynamics and classical mechanics as interesting as particle physics and astronomy. The actual math behind the friction force is somewhat interesting, however. Are you a mechanical engineer?
 

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Oh come on, be a sport. Run the numbers and let me know how many times more the speed would need to be than what the tires would take before they explode into misunderstood balls of flame.
Somewhat related, for one of my physics finals I made a formula to figure out how fast you would have to throw a snowball for it to sublimate (become gas instantly without turning to liquid first) from the friction caused by the air resistance, based on the average barametric pressure for a given altitude above sea level you happened to be. It was a fun excercise in mental masturbation at the time.
 

Tuco

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well how fast did you have to throw the snowball? I'm no expert but it seems like in most cases some of it would sublimate and some would melt.
 
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Hardly, since I am an atheist...
I am just annoyed at the amount of effort being directed at him when he obviously fails to grasp even the basics of the physics behind flight. But, part of it is that I do not find aerodynamics and classical mechanics as interesting as particle physics and astronomy. The actual math behind the friction force is somewhat interesting, however. Are you a mechanical engineer?
To whom were you directing your ire? I must have misunderstood. Electrical engineer.

Tuco it doesn't work that way. Plot c versus v. You can't just hold c constant for all values of v.
 

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I give the number 2, as in the shit this thread has turned into.
 

Tuco

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Soy_sl said:
I give the number 2, as in the shit this thread has turned into.
\Hey if classical mechanics problems bore you, I'm sure some real 'science' discussion like the latest science motivational speech or faux-science news about negative temperature or whatever will come soon.
 

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What made me see the entire plane on a treadmill problem in another light is imagining the airplane taking off from moving water. And then the light went off. No math needed.

BTW, that helicopter one is a classic, I laughed my ass off.
 

The Ancient_sl

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I can understand why someone would make the same mistakes that others did the first time this shit happened, but what I don't get is how someone who was obviously there for it would entertain the discussion again.

The plane takes off. You are wrong. No, I'm not going to try to explain why again. The end.


Do two objects of equivalent dimensions with different masses end up falling at different speeds if released from a significant height?
 
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Haha bitch. I defeated you with the power of math. The answer to the treadmill problem is: "Fuck you the airplane is taking off."


Yep.
No I just draw the line at making up equations to suit your fancy. The equation I linked literally says the coefficient increases with the square of velocity. If you hold c at the value you gave it actually spits out a very low velocity. If you weren't so lazy you could easily google images of plots of c versus v. It doesn't stay constant let alone that low at higher velocities.
 

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No I just draw the line at making up equations to suit your fancy. The equation I linked literally says the coefficient increases with the square of velocity. If you hold c at the value you gave it actually spits out a very low velocity. If you weren't so lazy you could easily google images of plots of c versus v. It doesn't stay constant let alone that low at higher velocities.
Is there no insult I can use that will cause you to admit what ridiculous speed you'd need to overcome the engine thrust?
 

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At which point the plane would flip or the fucking landing gear would rip off anyhow.
 

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Do two objects of equivalent dimensions with different masses end up falling at different speeds if released from a significant height?
heh, who did I argue with about that anyways?

The answers to the above are "yes, if there is an atmosphere and therefore wind resistance. No if it's in a vacuum. However even if yes, the difference is probably fairly marginal unless we're talking about at terminal velocity and with a really big difference in mass."
 
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Is there no insult I can use that will cause you to admit what ridiculous speed you'd need to overcome the engine thrust?
You can insult me all you want, the physics simply don't back up your assertion. You have your answer already, but please continue to allow your cognitive dissonance to reign.
 

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At which point the plane would flip or the fucking landing gear would rip off anyhow.
That's why it is an upper bound! Given the underlying physics involved with accelerating a giant treadmill to 1/3 the speed of light, I'm not sure the structural integrity of the plane even matters that much. The real answer is probably at whatever speed the first point fails catastrophically.