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Alex

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Enters thread. Sees tad10 posts.

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tad10

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This. Did you ever find that plane Tad?
There's actually another thread for that apparently none of you can read.

So I guess I'll ask here: I'm wondering if y'all are referring to the plane that most of you claimed was in the South Indian Ocean but hasn't been found after almost a year of searching in various spots in the SIO and, of which, no flotsam or jetsam has ever been found, and, during which time, another plane went down, and which was found within days of searching, and, of which, much flotsam and jetsam washed up on various shores? Or perhaps you're speaking of some other plane. In either case, take it to that other thread.
 

Gankak

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There's actually another thread for that apparently none of you can read.

So I guess I'll ask here: I'm wondering if y'all are referring to the plane that most of you claimed was in the South Indian Ocean but hasn't been found after almost a year of searching in various spots in the SIO and, of which, no flotsam or jetsam has ever been found, and, during which time, another plane went down, and which was found within days of searching, and, of which, much flotsam and jetsam washed up on various shores? Or perhaps you're speaking of some other plane. In either case, take it to that other thread.
So, no you haven't found it?
 

Itzena_sl

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Lumie is "wild-haired guy on street corner yelling about chemtrails" crazy; Tad10 is "Rascal-riding Tea Partier" crazy. The latter is more dangerous because theywillvote every time, and always for the regressive/reactionary candidate.
 

Xeldar

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Lumie is "wild-haired guy on street corner yelling about chemtrails" crazy; Tad10 is "Rascal-riding Tea Partier" crazy. The latter is more dangerous because theywillvote every time, and always for the regressive/reactionary candidate.
Those tea partiers sure wanna party like 1776!
 

Lemmiwinks_sl

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Did you even read what I said.



What are you even arguing against? It sure as fuck aint me. I Have no hang ups what so ever with gravity effecting light/electromagnetism. As stated, it has been experimentally verified to the point where I believe it is undeniable.

My only issue is with the details. Though this fact has been verified, it does not verify the fact that the speed of light is a constant at every place and time in the whole universe. There are edge cases and plenty of experiments where the possibility of this 'law' breaking must be challenged. Does light that is gravitationally lensed lose speed or even a bit of frequency in the process. Is the speed of light consistent when emitted from extremely high gravitaitonal fields. Is the speed of light consistent throughout the solar system. The last one is the only one that has any testing at all, though it has hardly been rigorous enough to be an undeniable law of physics. These are just examples I can think up quickly on the fly. I think its wrong to claim we know the answers when we most certainly don't. I believe in science, I believe in the scientific process. Data is king, and until I have it I'm not afraid to say I'm ignorant.
Jesus.

Light is NOT constant in every place in the universe. The speed of light changes in different mediums. The common usage of the "c" constant for the speed of light in physics is for its speed in a vacuum. For example, the speed of light in water is only .75c. The ''maximum'' speed of light in the universe (as far as we know) is the speed of light, in a vacuum. In many nuclear reactors you get Cherenkov radiation which occurs when beta particles from the fission process travel faster than light in their medium (water).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_radiation
 

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Jesus.

Light is NOT constant in every place in the universe. The speed of light changes in different mediums. The common usage of the "c" constant for the speed of light in physics is for its speed in a vacuum. For example, the speed of light in water is only .75c. The ''maximum'' speed of light in the universe (as far as we know) is the speed of light, in a vacuum. In many nuclear reactors you get Cherenkov radiation which occurs when beta particles from the fission process travel faster than light in their medium (water).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_radiation
I'm the one arguing it may have more ways where it's not constant.

To address what you said, space isn't made of water. On top of that, if you want to get super technical, which you're trying to do, light still travels at C even when its apparent speed is slower, at least according to science. So not only are you failing to argue against me, you aren't even right doing it. If you want to back me up, bring facts.
 

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There's a lot of black and white debate in this thread about dogma in science. Here is my take: it's grey.

I remember watching Dawkins's The God Delusion documentary, and in it he cites the case of a mathematics professor who's life's work revolves around some equation. One day, this young student knocks on his door, shows him is calculations that prove the professor wrong, and the professor simply thanks the student for pointing out that his life's work is wrong. I call this the ideal scientist. It's the way we want scientists to behave. And many do, maybe even most. But not all. Just having watched the new versions of Cosmos and the stories therein show the fragility of human nature that can come into conflict from scientific ideals. Chances are the student would have encountered other reactions from scorn, attempt at destroying the evidence, discrediting the student, buying silence, hell, even murder. We forget that scientists are also human, and subject to human failings, such as herd mentality and dogma.

The classic case of dogma in science for me, is also one used to describe paradigm shifts: continental drift. You see, evidence supporting continental drift had been around since around 1900, but was always rejected by the majority of the geological scientific community. It wasn't until the middle of the 20th century that geologists finally accepted (and many of them grudgingly) that this does exist. Paradigm shift in science not only revolves around evidence, although that is a prerequisite, but more importantly, it revolves around acceptance of the evidence, which often takes time, even a lot of time. It is also often said that the best way for new ideas in science to take hold is to wait for the old professors to die.

And the way it works now, is that the more prestigious, the more careers at stake, and most importantly, the more money at stake behind a theory, the more difficult it is for that theory to be challenged. It's not to say that it is impossible. I'm convinced that at some point even the most prestigious theories will be relegated to the dustbinIFevidence can be found to support alternative theories. However, it will not be as instantaneous as the mathematician's example above, and that is due to the inertia of dogma, that is fuelled by things such as personal and academic pride, and, more importantly, money (or the fear of losing it). And any such theory will be bashed, beaten and ridiculed before being accepted (as with the case of continental drift, and many others).

Now, having said all that, I would like to make a caseforthis inertia. It does serve a purpose. You see, we may laugh at old theories of things such as the flat world, geo-centricism, and god knows what else, and make fun of Issac Newton for his alchemy and all that, but we forget the importance that these were all stepping stones towards where we are now. Our greatest failing is in believing that our current understanding of the world is at an end point. It is not. They are all stepping stones too. But before we can take a step towards the next stone, we need to stop for a while on the one we're on, get our balance, and make sure our footing is secure before venturing forth. Going to quickly would end up with us either going the wrong way (and having to backpeddle), or worse, falling into the pond (and even getting us as a species killed).

So my argument is, is that it is naive to believe that there is not dogma in science, for the simple reason that all scientists are human, and susceptible to human failings, although the ideal of science means that many (even most) try to overcome those failings. Dogma, and it's subsequent inertia, is good for the system. But at the same time, it is not impregnable, and new theories will always come to light if there is evidence for them, though it may take longer than many would hope for.
 

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Its too fucking long. I don't want to feel like im dying in an avalanche of letters when I read a post.
 

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Christ furry you've shot right to the top of the obnoxious idiots list.

Can you just shut up for the sake up the forum?
 

Alex

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Its too fucking long. I don't want to feel like im dying in an avalanche of letters when I read a post.
I'm starting to get why everyone calls you a dumbass in this thread when discussions about things I don't understand are going on.