Solo: A Star Wars Story (2018)

Royal said:

This one is actually one of George's ideas, including having Kasdan write it. That might be a cautionary note unto itself.

Click to expand...

Shows how seriously he takes his own ideas as he later laughed at the idea of a Han Solo movie.

I see you speak of Max Rebo-- then you must be a Lucas guy. Why? Because we know from the "Making of" that George Lucas had always considered delivering fanfare and made calculated efforts to include it. The Special Editions were essentially just fanfare that he truly thought people would enjoy. But more importantly, we have a prime example in the Yoda fight sequence. People wanted to see Yoda break ass, he broke ass. If people want to see Max Rebo hit licks in Solo, he's gonna hit licks in George Lucas's Solo.

I often wonder what fanfare JJ or Smallmansyndrome Johnson has given us?

Maybe Ron Howard is cooking something formulaic that we will enjoy. I mean its all but 100% confirmed Vaderfication happened, albeit he is most likely not a part of the plot. These are the bones that the NT have not given us.

Edited because I don't want a ree but the gist is that the guy above me is the real faggot


Also this film is garbage, it does not need to be seen to know that it was an abortion from inception and will further serve to tarnish the legacy of the OG cast, because why stop at ruining shit with Luke and Vader

jayrebb said:

Shows how seriously he takes his own ideas as he later laughed at the idea of a Han Solo movie.

Click to expand...

Lucas is a consummate revisionist, down to the very marrow of his being. He's been one for so long now it's not hard to imagine the habit bleeding out beyond his movie making. What he was laughing at was probably more the notion of someone besides himself making a Han Solo movie. That's the way his ego seems to work these days at least. It's like when you take what he's said about Disney/LFL throwing all of his story ideas for the sequels in the trash, when they've actually used some of his individual concepts. In George's mind if you don't follow his plan to the letter then you've totally ignored him. It's all or nothing. It's an indicator of him not being a particularly good collaborator anymore. As such the idea of someone else doing a movie centered around one of his iconic characters without his direct oversight probably seems like a joke.

jayrebb said:

I see you speak of Max Rebo-- then you must be a Lucas guy. Why? Because we know from the "Making of" that George Lucas had always considered delivering fanfare and made calculated efforts to include it. The Special Editions were essentially just fanfare that he truly thought people would enjoy. But more importantly, we have a prime example in the Yoda fight sequence. People wanted to see Yoda break ass, he broke ass. If people want to see Max Rebo hit licks in Solo, he's gonna hit licks in George Lucas's Solo.

Click to expand...

Wouldn't that make me more of a John Williams guy? He composed the original Max Rebo music. I would just find it a nice throwback to hear it playing in a setting like that without having to see the band there playing it "live". They were supposed to be a famous band that Jabba had put on retainer. It would help prop up that part of the lore. And I just always liked that particular music.

I'm a fairly routine critic of Lucas though I look at him as a mixed bag. I appreciate they things I think he does well but that doesn't get in the way of me criticizing him when it's warranted.

Royal said:

when they've actually used some of his individual concepts.

Click to expand...

Anything specific? Genuinely curious

Jive Turkey said:

Anything specific? Genuinely curious

Click to expand...

Central protagonist, in the same sense that Luke was in the OT, was a girl who would go on to become a jedi. Her name was originally Kira and it was still that in some of the early scripts. They eventually changed it to Rey though, as a nod to it, it will be Emilia Clarke's character's name in Solo (with the spelling changed to Qi'ra).
Luke had entered a crisis of confidence and gone off in self-imposed exile to the first jedi temple. The girl would go to him to seek training and get him out of his funk, so to speak.
One of the children of the original big three would turn to the dark side and become a jedi killer.

Those are the things that have come out so far. They were all supposed to happen in Lucas's first installment of the sequel trilogy. They added a lot of build up which ended up being most of TFA and a lot of his stuff was pushed off until 8. I suspect more of his ideas will come to light now that the movie is out though we'll probably have to wait for the whole trilogy to be done before we know everything of his they ended up keeping.

Royal said:

Central protagonist, in the same sense that Luke was in the OT, was a girl who would go on to become a jedi. Her name was originally Kira and it was still that in some of the early scripts. They eventually changed it to Rey though, as a nod to it, it will be Emilia Clarke's character's name in Solo (with the spelling changed to Qi'ra).
Luke had entered a crisis of confidence and gone off in self-imposed exile to the first jedi temple. The girl would go to him to seek training and get him out of his funk, so to speak.
One of the children of the original big three would turn to the dark side and become a jedi killer.

Those are the things that have come out so far. They were all supposed to happen in Lucas's first installment of the sequel trilogy. The added a lot of build up which ended up being most of TFA and a lot of his stuff was pushed off until 8. I suspect more of his ideas will come to light now that the movie is out though we'll probably have to wait for the whole trilogy to be done before we know everything of his they ended up keeping.

Click to expand...

Where these in the outline he had around the time of the OT?

Also, I had no idea Emilia Clarke was in the Solo movie. She's a fucking terrible actor

Jive Turkey said:

Where these in the outline he had around the time of the OT?

Also, I had no idea Emilia Clarke was in the Solo movie. She's a fucking terrible actor

Click to expand...

No, these were a story treatment and outlines he started working on just before he decided to sell Lucasfilm. They weren't heavily fleshed out at all apparently. They were supposed to serve as a starting point for someone else to write a screenplay from.

And yeah, EC isn't a great catch for the cast imo.

I don't get why people bag on Emilia Clarke so hard. She has done fine in Game of Thrones considering how inconsistent and generally mediocre the writing has been in that show, especially considering that the Danaerys sections of the books are notably awful as well. I mean shit go read some of Tywin's dialogue, it's absolutely cringeworthy at times, but one only has to watch Last Action Hero to realize how incredible Charles Dance is at selling terrible writing. Not being as good as Charles Dance doesn't make you a bad actor. As for Genisys, nobody could have saved that fucking trainwreck. She was excellent in Futurama.

Gavinmad said:

I don't get why people bag on Emilia Clarke so hard. She has done fine in Game of Thrones considering how inconsistent and generally mediocre the writing has been in that show, especially considering that the Danaerys sections of the books are notably awful as well. I mean shit go read some of Tywin's dialogue, it's absolutely cringeworthy at times, but one only has to watch Last Action Hero to realize how incredible Charles Dance is at selling terrible writing. Not being as good as Charles Dance doesn't make you a bad actor. As for Genisys, nobody could have saved that fucking trainwreck. She was excellent in Futurama.

Click to expand...

She's fine in GOT because the style is stilted and almost old-school theatrical. Just watch her deliver her first lines of dialogue in Terminator to see her acting "chops". She's objectively terrible