Star Wars : Rogue One

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Hoth was too cold to withstand for x/y-wings. Rebels specially outfitted the t-47 air speeder to withstand the cold environment.
 
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I had one question about the movie when i walked out...Doesnt the Battle of Scarif diminish the Battle of Hoth? Why didnt the Rebels just use X-Wings and Y-Wings to blast the AT-AT's on Hoth? This movie shows they knew that would have worked. Would certainly have stopped them better than harpoons and cables.

Of all the complaints that I've heard about this movie, this question bothers me the most because it strikes right at the heart of The Empire Strikes Back.
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What you saw on Scarif weren't AT-AT's. Oh no sir!

They were AT-ACT's!

Nah they were made primarily for moving cargo so they were more lightly armored to allow them to carry more weight.

And the x-wings on Hoth were being sent out to escort the transports.
 
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Mures said:
Hoth was too cold to withstand for x/y-wings. Rebels specially outfitted the t-47 air speeder to withstand the cold environment.
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A planet that is able to sustain life in the form of Yeti monsters and camel creatures is colder than outer space? Right.
 
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Caliane said:
you just questioned that now?

Why didn't the rebels on Hoth use X-Wings to fight AT-ATs?



Best answer is, Rebel alliance is poorly geared, as a loose Rebel group. Xwings are baller as fuck. But there are few of them. and Rebels need to repair them/save them. So, only a couple might have been on Hoth. sending 2 vs the At-at's may have been deemed to dangerous. (although 2 xwings +10 speeders clearly would have been smarter.)

Xwings are fine in cold conditions. are fine in atmposphere. and were known to wreck at-at's before this movie as well.

And yes, several x-wings are shown to be fleeing Hoth, as they leave. including Luke himself in one.

maybe Rogue 3 will deal with the innept Rebel Alliance officer who made this tactical decision. Perhaps he was secretly working for the Empire.
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Haha, I questioned this on opening night when I saw Rogue One. Of all the missteps in the movie, this one just stood out to me. It was like the production company and the director were so myopic on tying the film to ANH, they forgot about other established parts of the SW universe like i dunno...the best of the star wars films and one of the most iconic sci-fi battles ever?
 
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Haha, I questioned this on opening night when I saw Rogue One. Of all the missteps in the movie, this one just stood out to me. It was like the production company and the director were so myopic on tying the film to ANH, they forgot about other established parts of the SW universe like i dunno...the best of the star wars films and one of the most iconic sci-fi battles ever?
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yeah, but you never questioned Empire I'm saying. that was always a question. from what we saw in ANH, EMPIRE, and Jedi, it NEVER made sense to use the snow speeders.
you always had to turn to Fantheories, and EU to make up excuses.
The force awakens used X-wings for everything as well. and thats even weirder since, the Rebel alliance at that point should have been the actual government and fully funded.

Here's another option. coastguard vs airforce.
Hoth was a defense, and escape. Speeders were local and ready for local engagement. While the xwings present and prepped were busy with troops, and securing escape routes in orbit. While others were simply not prepped for battle yet. Speeders were able to scramble faster.

While Scarif is fully an interplanetary offensive. of course planetary defenses like speeders wouldn't be deployed.

I think that might be a bit of where I think RLM is off. They are talking about being a fanwank for vader and shit. its not.
its a love letter to Rogue squadron games, xwing vs tie-fighter, Battlefield, and other EU works.
So, you here are like, "xwings are good against At-at?! plothole!" anyone played the tie fighters, or rogue squadrons are like, uh. yeah, of coarse they are.
RLM have made it pretty clear they don't play the games, etc. Don't think they even watched the clone wars or rebels.
 
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Caliane said:
yeah, but you never questioned Empire I'm saying. that was always a question. from what we saw in ANH, EMPIRE, and Jedi, it NEVER made sense to use the snow speeders.
you always had to turn to Fantheories, and EU to make up excuses.
The force awakens used X-wings for everything as well. and thats even weirder since, the Rebel alliance at that point should have been the actual government and fully funded.

Here's another option. coastguard vs airforce.
Hoth was a defense, and escape. Speeders were local and ready for local engagement. While the xwings present and prepped were busy with troops, and securing escape routes in orbit. While others were simply not prepped for battle yet. Speeders were able to scramble faster.

While Scarif is fully an interplanetary offensive. of course planetary defenses like speeders wouldn't be deployed.

I think that might be a bit of where I think RLM is off. They are talking about being a fanwank for vader and shit. its not.
its a love letter to Rogue squadron games, xwing vs tie-fighter, Battlefield, and other EU works.
So, you here are like, "xwings are good against At-at?! plothole!" anyone played the tie fighters, or rogue squadrons are like, uh. yeah, of coarse they are.
RLM have made it pretty clear they don't play the games, etc. Don't think they even watched the clone wars or rebels.
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Haha, You are right. I never really gave it much thought why the alliance used the speeders on Hoth.
 
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Next you are now going to question why the Empire uses Tie fighters. I mean, those things are total shit. They have Republic funding and manufacturing. Can afford to build anything, and have the actual planets/factories to do it. They have giant mega kickass star destroyers. Even bigger super star destroyers, and multiple death stars. But, for some bizarre reason, choose the weakest, shittiest dog fighters for actual combat.
 
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Caliane said:
yThe force awakens used X-wings for everything as well. and thats even weirder since, the Rebel alliance at that point should have been the actual government and fully funded.
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The Resistance isn't fully funded by the government though. They were a splinter movement within the New Galactic Republic, privately funded by a handful of Senators and other concerns who agreed with Leia that The First Order was already a legitimate threat that needed to be dealt with before it grew into something more substantial.

The old Rebel Alliance had dissolved and was assimilated into the the New Republic once a peace with the remnants of The Empire had been negotiated. Between The Clone Wars and The Galactic Rebellion a large chunk of the galaxy was tired of the protracted periods of war and was in no mood to seek out new enemies to subdue. The Senate's support, to the extent that it existed, was to tolerate the existence of The Resistance instead of actively trying to end the movement before it sparked a full scale conflict rather than material assistance.
 
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Next you are now going to question why the Empire uses Tie fighters. I mean, those things are total shit. They have Republic funding. They have giant mega kickass star destroyers. Even bigger super star destroyers, and multiple death stars. But, for some bizarre reason, choose the weakest, shittiest dog fighters for actual combat.
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No, this one makes sense, and I can use a real world example to back it up, since Star Wars is World War II in space. TIE fighters are the Japanese Zeros of Star Wars. Super light, maneuverable and cheap, but they have no life support, no armor, and tend to explode with the lightest touch from enemy fire.
 
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My mind justified the xwings annihilating the At's with "maybe the empire upgraded their shit after they saw how easily the xwings took them out"

Let's not over think the SW universe here. The force is just bugs in your blood.
 
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Adebisi said:
My mind justified the xwings annihilating the At's with "maybe the empire upgraded their shit after they saw how easily the xwings took them out"

Let's not over think the SW universe here. The force is just bugs in your blood.
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The snowspeeders used on Hoth were originally cargo haulers with tow cables. The rebels modified them for use in the cold and given Ap/11 double laser cannon which were meant to be used on the smaller AT-ST walkers.

Don't overthink this, you knew they were shitty at the start of the Hoth battle.
 
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Malakriss said:
The snowspeeders used on Hoth were originally cargo haulers with tow cables. The rebels modified them for use in the cold and given Ap/11 double laser cannon which were meant to be used on the smaller AT-ST walkers.

Don't overthink this, you knew they were shitty at the start of the Hoth battle.
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Please explain how Hoth is too cold for X-wings yet they perform just fine in 0 degree Kelvin outer space.
 
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The issue with the x-wings was not the low temperature. It was the low numbers of them the Rebellion had at the time and the need for them to assist in the evacuation of Echo Base. Snow speeders couldn't leave atmosphere while x-wings could.

But snow speeders did have to be adapted to the lower temperatures, at least according to one of the deck officers in ESB.
 
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Please explain how Hoth is too cold for X-wings yet they perform just fine in 0 degree Kelvin outer space.
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in theory, watervapor/ice. Space is cold, but it is not wet.

but, that is just pointing out the flaw in your question, not the actual answer, since x-wings don't actually give a shit about ice either.
 
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They used Snow speeders so they could sell more toys to fund the rebellion.
 
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They used Snow speeders so they could sell more toys to fund the rebellion.
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This is also true.

If by the rebellion you mean "the effort to amass more money than God so I can tell all of those studio execs to bite me while I make my shit exactly the way I want it ... and maybe buy a ranch to".
 
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Royal said:
The issue with the x-wings was not the low temperature. It was the low numbers of them the Rebellion had at the time and the need for them to assist in the evacuation of Echo Base. Snow speeders couldn't leave atmosphere while x-wings could.

But snow speeders did have to be adapted to the lower temperatures, at least according to one of the deck officers in ESB.
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This is likely the true answer, between the losses they took in Rogue One and the small amount of ships that actually survived the death star battle any remaining X-wings/Y-wings were saved to escort the transports during the escape.

At no point did the Rebels expect to win and remain at the base on Hoth, the plan was to GTFO and they could afford to lose snowspeeders that would left behind anyways.
 
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Malakriss said:
At no point did the Rebels expect to win and remain at the base on Hoth, the plan was to GTFO and they could afford to lose snowspeeders that would left behind anyways.
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Yup.

It's kinda like asking (not that it's a stupid question Butthurt, this is just an extreme parallel) why didn't the rebels evac some of the tauntauns when they left Hoth. They could have really used them on Endor instead of having to rely on the generosity of teddy bears.
 
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