Star Wars: The Force Awakens (2015)

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Palum

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I dunno, I hope Luke doesn't die. I think the 'old wise Jedi biting the dust' is too much of a trope now. He can't do backflips and outrun anyone anymore, just means he needs to be sidelined as an action hero, not killed off as yet-another-changing-of-the-guard.
 

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Leia at least makes sense as being the leader of the Republic. Well, about as much sense as Star Wars politics has had in the movies.
True enough. I'm more concerned about Fisher's mental and physical state for acting purposes than the character I guess.
 

Mist

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How hard is to play a fictional politician? They're all fake lying pompous asses anyway.
 

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I dunno, I hope Luke doesn't die. I think the 'old wise Jedi biting the dust' is too much of a trope now. He can't do backflips and outrun anyone anymore, just means he needs to be sidelined as an action hero, not killed off as yet-another-changing-of-the-guard.
Luke has to either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain imo. I could totally see him becoming a villain at least an anti-villain if done right. He would have the power to bring order to the galaxy, but at what cost? Risk becoming like Vader or Palpatine? The Jedi were always supposed to be peacekeepers but never rulers. I think that's why he'd be hiding rather than having an active role in the affairs of the Republic.
 

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IIRC, in the books, Luke strays to the dark side numerous times. He lives for quite a while, though.
 

Mist

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Yeah in the books there's that whole Mara Jade thing thats definitely not going to be in the movies.
 

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So where are the supposed spoilers? At this point there are only a handful of people who could possibly spoil anything. So which one of you dicklickers is working on the movie?
 

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I think Luke should end kinda like Ezio in Assassins Creed Revelations, maybe in Ep VIII.
 

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It's been awhile since I really got into all the different books and such but was there not a comic that showed Boba Fett rising out of the sand? Also, isn't Darth Maul alive with robotic legs? I think i've also seen a group (may have been Han/Leia's children) that found 100's of Emperor clones. Their children are also the ones that had to reason with Luke on a couple of occasion due to his move to the Dark Side.

I looked around last night try to find the references of all of these faint images in my mind but really couldn't find anything that matches. I'll try again after work...
 

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According to clone wars, Darth maul is alive prior to the jedi purge. Whether or not he made it that far or past it is anyone's guess.

From what I remember, Luke became the emperor clone's apprentice in order to take him down from the inside, but he had to give himself to thr dark side to pull it off. Pretty sure he struggled with that for a while.

Fett survived the sarlacc due to his armor and explosives that he had with him. But he was pretty messed up for a while afterwards. Pretty sure he made a full recovery though

Don't know about the solo's finding the clones, but it sounds familiar.
 

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Yeah I can recall having seen stuff related to comics showing Boba Fett emerging alive from the Sarlacc.

Spoiler for size:
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the whole light side dark side thing is always kinda ehhh... its what you do with it... as always the jedi are like "oh balance!" but balance is 50% one side and 50% on the other...duh, vader did do that! but jedi are dumb... luke technically stepped into the dark side for a moment while fighting and then cutting off vaders hand.

I thought somewhere it was mentioned that you had to have some force sensitivity to handle light sabers- this was from like a long time ago... and why normal people back in the day used the special swords rather than light sabers.

If the robo dude is the emperor it would be cool but dumb at the same time.
 

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I did. I didn't notice anyone pointing out who was actually working on the film versus the ones that were masturbatory fanfic. I also don't click external links, so if it was said on one of those lesser sites, that would be why I missed it.
 

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I did. I didn't notice anyone pointing out who was actually working on the film versus the ones that were masturbatory fanfic. I also don't click external links, so if it was said on one of those lesser sites, that would be why I missed it.
Well this is what you missed then.

Last night (November 30th) an enigmatic character called "Spoiler Man" took to 4chan boards claiming to be an employee of Lucasfilm, and answered some general questions about Episode VII.
Before reading, keep in mind that there is no substantial proof that this person is who they say they are, so take their information with a massive grain of salt. With that being said, based on what we know, this information isplausible if not likely-- and indicative of a good film. The brief teaser confirmed the validity of the leaked concept art from a few weeks back (http://imgur.com/a/uRMnN[2] ) and everything this "Spoiler Man" says corroborates it as well.
Read on at your own risk.

  • The film is dystopian and darker than Empire. Some 30-40 years have passed since Return of the Jedi, and the Empire and New Republic have been locked in a war of attrition. Everyone is languishing and sick of the war. The script, which is described as "too good for JJ Abrams", begins in space, above a desert planet -- presumably Tatooine.
  • The opening crawl details the ongoing turmoil in the galaxy. How the fall of the Emperor left a void of power, and how the heroes of Endor went into seclusion or kept fighting.
  • The current state of the war is described as being similar to the European theater of 1944, with the Empire being Germany and the Republic being the Allies. The Republic has finally taken the upper hand.
  • John Boyega[3] andDaisy Ridley[4] are the male and female leads.
  • Boyega is a force-sensitive Stormtrooper under command ofGwendoline Christie[5] 's character. He defects from the Empire over the course of the movie, ending up stranded on a desert planet (presumed to be Tatooine) during the first act. Having defied orders, Boyega is hunted as a deserter.
TIE fighter wreckage; possibly Boyega's:http://i.imgur.com/bhTMPuT.jpg[6]

  • Gwendoline Christie portrays an Inquisitor. The Inquisitors are a group of lightsaber wielding individuals that may or may not be force sensitive and head up the Imperial Remnant. Inquisitors aren't Sith, but they are not Jedi either; they are hounds used to track down force sensitives, and they are implied to have assisted Vader's cleansing.
Christie's Inquisitor:http://i.imgur.com/JhrbuBy.jpg[7]
Inquisitor's lightsaber:http://i.imgur.com/cKiSO9B.jpg[8]

  • Daisy plays Kira, a character living on Tatooine withMax Von Sydow[9] 's character. Kira is a dusty survivalist tomboy. Sydow is a broken man from the prequel area that has become mostly cyborg. He is not force sensitive and for some reason collects artifacts that we've seen at critical points during the previous films, particularly ones relating to the Jedi and the Sith. Daisy shares his fascination with history, and she is revealed in Act II to be the daughter of Han and Leia. As someone with force sensitivity, she resents the fact that Luke went into exile before he could train her, and she hopes that the search for force-sensitive artifacts could lead her to him. She keeps her identity as a Solo under wraps in order to keep trouble away.
Sydow's character examining Vader's helmet:http://i.imgur.com/hjVHT65.jpg[10] ;http://i.imgur.com/HAzlSnK.jpg[11]
Sydow's character with Kira:http://i.imgur.com/pInbshX.jpg[12]

  • Sydow is a sort of mentor to Kira, and apparently his true identity is an Act III revelation that will surprise a lot of people. The contention is that he is an existing character from the prequel films, and the revelation of his identity will shock viewers.
  • Sydow's character is "not overtly" a villain, but has some sort of Sith connection.
  • Sydow's "hideout" is a downed AT-AT. Relics of the war are everywhere in the film; there is a real feeling that the entire galaxy is sick of the deadlock.
AT-AT:http://i.imgur.com/cm8eBZS.jpg[13] ;http://i.imgur.com/FIxykNK.jpg[14] ;http://i.imgur.com/LqlrmBZ.jpg[15]

  • The blue lightsaber in the above picture is apparently the same one Luke lost on Bespin in Empire. The one holding it is Boyega's character (he wasn't necessarily conceived as black).
  • Theball droid[16] from the trailer belongs to Kira.
  • On the desert planet (again, presumably Tatooine) Boyega meets up with Daisy and Sydow. At the end of the first act, Han Solo and Chewbacca take them all off planet in the Millennium Falcon. Shortly afterward, we learn that "Kira" is Han and Leia's daughter. Again, she keeps her identity secret to avoid unwanted trouble.
  • Kira's revelation dumbfounds Boyega and "other people."
  • Chewbacca's life debt extends to Han's whole family, and he is now sporting a robotic arm.
Chewbacca:http://i.imgur.com/7TGADrf.jpg[17]

  • Han takes a liking to Boyega. Throughout the film he is in love with Boyega's decision to defy orders and ruin his career in the Imperial military. Han vouches for Boyega, having gone through something similar in his youth.
  • At some point, Han says the familiar "Hey, it's me!" line. Someone, of course, says the classic "I have a bad feeling about this." These are said to be the only self-referential "smile while rolling your eyes" lines of the film.
  • When asked whether Han dies, Spoiler Man replied that he will "not spoil the third act."This in and of itself does not reveal anything, but rather comes off as Spoiler Man being audacious, because answering the question is such a waywouldspoil the third act,ifit were true.
  • Lando's Sullustan co-pilot from Return of the Jedi,Nien Nunb[18] , makes a humorous appearance.
  • Lando is in the script and has apparently become famous.
  • Luke Skywalker has secluded himself from the galaxy, training only a handful of students since his exile. He fears for his future; as he comes closer to Yoda levels of power, he becomes more and more secluded. There are no Jedi in the open, but rumors persist that Luke has trained a few since the events of Endor.
  • Luke first appears in Act II ? la Obi Wan dropping his hood in A New Hope. He survives the movie.
  • Boyega and Daisy become Luke's new apprentices.
  • Lupita Nyong'o[19] is Luke's current apprentice, and Boyega's eventual love interest.
  • Luke exiled himself because of the ongoing war. With the galaxy in chaos, he had to ensure his safety so that a new generation could be trained. At least, that's his contention; the fact that he continues to exclude himself despite his great power indicates ulterior motive.
Luke's rumored location:http://i.imgur.com/N4iJjMm.jpg[20]

  • Only Han and Leia know where Luke is, a fact we learn aboard a Mon Cal cruiser in the film's second act.
  • Luke has grown to dislike using his lightsaber, but apparently draws it late in the movie and showcases his abilities against an Inquisitor. It's still green.
  • Luke speaks to Yoda's force ghost in the film.
  • Luke has a reveal in the film which, apparently, is stunning.
  • Leia is the leader of the New Republic. R2D2 and C3PO are with her during the film.
  • R2D2 and C3PO are the only comic relief characters in the film.
  • Carrie Fischer's real life daughter,Billie Lourd[21] , plays Leia in a flashback sequence. Darth Vader appears in this flashback as well, which apparently takes place on Endor.
  • Yavin is in the film, presumably as the Republic's base of operations.
Presumably Yavin:http://i.imgur.com/dBHibXF.jpg[22] ;http://i.imgur.com/blKc7tO.jpg[23] ;http://i.imgur.com/tN2vpt3.jpg[24]

  • The Republic is building a super weapon on a Scandanavian-esque cold and forsaken forest world. Its ultimate purpose is unknown.
  • The Han Solo archetype is split betweenOscar Isaac[25] andDomhnall Gleeson[26] .
  • Isaac is an ace pilot with the last name "Darklighter" who's been fighting the Imperial forces for years now. He's a bit of a hot shot.
  • He inherits the Milennium Falcon and is implied to be Kira's eventual love interest.
  • Domhnall Gleeson plays a scoundrel of sorts.
  • Adam Driver[27] 's character is an ambitious, force-sensitive pilot who falls to the dark side.
  • He is described as having a transformation that "only begins" in Episode VII.
  • He builds his own lightsaber (the one we see in the trailer). It's referred to as a "junk" lightsaber, which is why it looks different from that which we are familiar with.
  • The decision to give his initial lightsaber a cross-guard was apparently made wholly by the art department.
  • The lightsaber battles are written by Kasdan to be minimalistic and powerful.
  • Driver wears a mask because half of his face is cyborg.
  • He goes looking forAndy Serkis[28] ' character on the aforementioned Scandanavian-esque forest world, as we see in the teaser.
Driver's character:http://imageserver.moviepilot.com/si...960&height=960[29]

  • Andy Serkis is some kind of alien Sith exempt from the Rule of Two. He is implied to have existed for a long time, be very powerful, and is the speaker in the teaser.
  • Serkis is implied to have trained or used Palpatine for some obscure purpose.
  • Adam Driver receives or builds a new lightsaber after meeting with Serkis.
  • The Sith are not aligned with the Empire.
  • Serkis' goals differ from Palpatine's.
  • Serkis does not play or replace Darth Plagueis.
  • 99.9% of the EU is disregarded.
  • There's very much a sense of the old characters "passing the torch" to the newer characters.
  • John Boyega, Daisy Ridley, Oscar Isaac, Domhnall Gleeson, Lupita Nyong'o, Chewbacca, and the droids (presumably Sydow's character and Kira's ball droid) are the new "big 6". Adam Driver and Andy Serkis are Sith and Gwendoline Christie is an Imperial. Characters we still have no knowledge of are those played byCrystal Clarke[30] ,Pip Anderson[31] ,Christina Chong[32] ,Miltos Yerolemou[33] ,Greg Grunberg[34] , andWarwick Davis[35] .
 

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Part II

Spoiler Man, the same individual that "leaked" an abundance of information on November 30th, has returned and answered more questions. His trip code is the same so there's no denying that this person has the same identity as the one who posted two nights ago. Again, it's all plausible if not likely. I've gathered up the new information for you guys below.Read on at your own risk.

  • The premise of the film is that the Force has become stronger and more potent. There is a great tremor in the Force early in the film; those familiar with the Force feel as if its fundamental nature has somehow changed, while previously oblivious Force-sensitive individuals suddenly realize that they have a gift. This creates a great dichotomy of where to go, because neither Luke nor the antagonists are ready for this new liberation of awareness.
  • Following the repression of the Empire and the Jedi purge, the Force is finally manifesting itself in more people who have the capacity to use it. In this context, it appears as if the Forcewantsto be used.
John Boyega, Luke Skywalker, and Daisy Ridley

  • Boyega is, for all intents and purposes, the "new Luke Skywalker" (with a touch of Han Solo thrown in). He realizes he's Force-sensitive when he feels the aforementioned tremor.
  • Boyega is an orphan.
  • Boyega, Daisy, and Driver are all weak in terms of the Force throughout the film.
  • Luke has trained seven Jedi since Endor, two of whom surface in the third act. It is unknown whether Lupita Nyong'o's character is included in this distinction.
  • In terms of character nature, Luke is like Yoda's successor.
  • No mention is made of Luke having a child.
  • Palpatine is referenced a couple of times, particularly regarding his role and the decisions he made during Luke's temptation and resistance in Return of the Jedi.
  • Luke went into seclusion following an event post-Endor that has caused him to become hesitant when using his power to its full extent. He's not really hiding, but rather hoping to keep attention off of his activities.
  • People think Luke is a bit of a kook given his 20 year absence, but he is said to have a purpose and plan behind his decisions. He's a bit of an urban legend by the time the film starts.
  • Luke has come to the conclusion that the Jedi are not meant to be an open, quasi-police force like they were in the prequels. He has a close connection to the living Force, and he believes balance must be maintained through a lack of interference in the mundane conflicts of the galaxy. Luke's contention is that the Jedi, while still needing to promote peace, order, and harmony, cannot actively become servants for any government - including the Republic. Past events and the demise of the old order are said to have taught him that.
  • He is also said to be in contact with Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon in addition to Yoda.
  • Luke does not die, turn evil, or go crazy.
  • Daisy Ridley's character, "Kira", has been raised incognito to both keep her safe from Inquisitors and from traitors within the Republic.
  • She inherits Luke's original blue lightsaber in the first act of the film.
  • Luke's lightsaber is said to be one of the things that sets the entire film into motion.
Han, Leia, Oscar Isaac, and Domhnall Gleeson

  • Leia has been the Republic leader for some 30 years.
  • Han and Leia are married.
  • Handoes not diein the film. With that being said, his death is apparently beingplannedfor Episode VIII. I would remind you all, however, that his death was alsoplannedfor Episode VI.
  • The Falcon has been retrofitted by Solo and it is implied that he has had a couple of adventures these past 30 odd years, with and without Leia.
  • The X-Wings in the trailer are on Yavin.
  • There are Blue, Red, and Gold fighter squadrons in the film.
  • Oscar Isaac's character, "Darklighter", is stationed on Yavin. He is the leader of Blue Squadron.
  • Han calls Isaac's character "kid", much to his annoyance.
  • Domhnall Gleeson's character is an Imperial officer who defects to the Republic. He is described as a "wingman" that joins the core cadre of good guys.
Adam Driver, Andy Serkis, Max Von Sydow, and Boba Fett

  • Adam Driver's character is the leader of Red Squadron. He is a hot shot with dreams of grandeur, and has an ominous fascination with power and the Sith. He collects items relating to their order and has a close relationship with a past character who may or may not have fallen to the Dark Side.
  • The hilt on the lightsaber he builds (the one from the trailer) is said tonotfunction as a crossguard.
  • Driver is largely untrained in the Force as of Episode VII.
  • Andy Serkis' species is one we have never seen before.
  • Serkis' machinations and outlook are very different from Palpatine's. He believes the Rule of Two is a foolish edict and considers Palpatine as having made a couple of mistakes.
  • We will learn who trained Serkis in the third act.
  • Serkis is described as "legit", and a "worthy foe to [Luke]".
  • Max Von Sydow's character is not Boba Fett, Darth Maul, or Mace Windu.
  • While Sydow's identity is a surprise, it's not necessarily earth-shattering. It's the sort of thing that hardcore fans would be excited about, but overly casual fans likely won't realize the significance of. Sydow's identity does have meaning, but you need to know the context.
  • Boba Fett does appear, albeit very briefly.
The Expanded Universe

  • While the EU is disregarded whenever it interferes with the story trying to be told, apparently a few elements from the Del Rey / Bantam books have become legitimate. For example, Boba Fett's short story inTales from Jabba's Palaceis assumed to be how he escaped.
  • No EU characters are used.
  • Darth Revan is not in the film, and the mask that Adam Driver's character wears did not belong to him.
Planets

  • The Scandanavian esque planet is called Sullarn (as of the film's second draft), and it exists mostly in the film's third act.
  • The planets visited in the film are Tatooine, Yavin, Coruscant, Sullarn, and a final fifth planet from the third act.
  • Tatooine is only seen in the first act (the Cantina andGarindan[2] make appearances) and Coruscant is seen very briefly. Two parallel storylines converge on Sullarn, where the film's climax takes place.
  • Sullarn is said to be like Taiga at its best, and the arctic at its worst.
General Information

  • There are many visual throwbacks to the prequel trilogy. A lot of conventional props, masks, and prosthetics will be used.
  • There is no kissing in the movie, no blood, no Benedict Cumberbatch, no Watto, and no black antagonists.
  • "I am your father" esque twists are trying to be saved/concocted for Episode VIII.
  • Rebels will have connections to Episode VII, particularly regarding the Inquisitors. Disney has dictated the deep and thorough implementation of the Inquisitors into the Rebels storyline.
  • There are three lightsaber battles in the film. Two of the three illustrate the vast skill gap between the combatants, and the third is "magnificent", "heavy hitting", and "original-trilogy styled".
  • The Empire is said to become more of a secondary foe as the new trilogy progresses.
  • The film is apparently on par (quality wise) with Episode IV.
  • Spoiler Man claims to have seen the script and some raw footage/dailies. He has great respect for Kasdan.
  • He contends that everything he says will be "95% correct", but also that Disney and Lucasfilm are actively leaking fake information to spin things different ways and throw people off. In February, the influx of information both true and false will result in apparent contradictions.
  • Ali Arikan[3] is said to be one of the mouthpieces for the fake spins.
  • Spoiler Man's last message is that we "don't fall to the spin machine".
Make of this what you will. Also bear in mind that Spoiler Man's contention that the trailer will release on May 1st has, as of December 2nd, been proven true. See the context links below for more info.
The source (part 1):http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/51051918[4]
The source (part 2):http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/5111798[5]
The leaked concept art:http://imgur.com/a/uRMnN[6]
 

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I didn't see that extra stuff about sydow not being fett. It pointedly avoided saying he was palpatine, but also said he wasn't force sensitive... So again raises the question of who he is. Did palpatine lose his connection to the force? Could explain why he collects Jedi and sith artifacts as he's trying to regain his connection...

Or maybe it really is jarjar... Oh God...
 

Royal

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The Sydow as Fett theory is just fan discussion down in the responses section. The person that initiated the discussion made a well reasoned case.

edit: nvm, I just re-read the initial spoiler. I see what you're talking about now. That part is new.
 

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I didn't see that extra stuff about sydow not being fett. It pointedly avoided saying he was palpatine, but also said he wasn't force sensitive... So again raises the question of who he is. Did palpatine lose his connection to the force? Could explain why he collects Jedi and sith artifacts as he's trying to regain his connection...

Or maybe it really is jarjar... Oh God...
I think that it could be possible his clones could have a chance to or to not be force sensitive. What if it is Darth Maul? I'm not sure I would get too hung up on force sensitive vs non-force sensitive characters as i'm sure they could easily lose or give up their connection out of whatever emotion.

Adds to the curiosity thought as a lot of what he said and the concept art aligns with the trailer.

This could spark my interest back into Star Wars a bit but there will always be Ep. 1-3