Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017)

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chaos said:
Yeah, I felt like Luke's arc was resolved well. He's ascended alongside all the other jedi masters of note from the series now that he got over his conflict. I liked Kylo's resolution as well, I didn't find Snoke very interesting and honestly wasn't really looking forward to the same story beats again, so when he actually performed a reverse-Vader I thought it was great. And the way he tried to connect with Rey, I liked that. Rey was a weakness, they just didn't do enough to move her story forward. I don't buy the thing with her parents for a second, but assuming its true, I don't see how it matters if they can make it interesting. The Resistance was also a weakness, a lot of good ideas they had which just weren't fleshed out very well.
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The heart and soul of the movie was Yoda. His comment about mastery being knowledge that your students will become greater than you SHOULD have been the central thesis of the story. It's certainly the key to understanding Luke in this film.
 
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Heylel said:
The heart and soul of the movie was Yoda. His comment about mastery being knowledge that your students will become greater than you SHOULD have been the central thesis of the story. It's certainly the key to understanding Luke in this film.
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Totally agree. That would have been a great way to incorporate Rey into the movie in a better way. She's just kind of there instead.
 
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Heylel said:
The heart and soul of the movie was Yoda. His comment about mastery being knowledge that your students will become greater than you SHOULD have been the central thesis of the story. It's certainly the key to understanding Luke in this film.
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Yoda did deliver the central message of the movie. Not just the stuff about being a master but also coping with failure and getting something out of it. There was tons of failure all up and down the ranks of the good guys. Luke was the only one who really moved beyond his setback. For the others we'll have to see how the lesson is carried forward.
 
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They do need a time jump of somekind (that they can put an animated series in to cover ala Clone Wars). At this point the entirety of Episode 7 and Episode 8 have taken place over a week, week and a half at most.
 
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They do need a time jump of somekind (that they can put an animated series in to cover ala Clone Wars). At this point the entirety of Episode 7 and Episode 8 have taken place over a week, week and a half at most.
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Yeah when you have one movie take place in a 24 hour timeframe you need a jump.

I think the ending with the kid shows that they are going to start out with a "15 YEARS LATER" at the beginning of the crawl.
 
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It was a bad idea when they attached a "real life timeframe" in the movie with the "six hours" or whatever. Made travel and stuff to and fro even more stupid. The fact they escaped and then got ready for an attack so fast was dumb...but eh.

Finn, knower of every single ship and station and every in and out and detail- because, he was a janitor... still...really...
 
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Yeah, the whole space janitor knows it all is fucking stupid. How the hell does Rose, who I think is an electrician or something, know how to fly some salt flat scooter expertly enough to intercept another one? And talking about those scooters, open canopy and all, Finn flying into the beam, guns melting, but he obviously has teflon skin and clothing??
 
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Something that gets me is why when they have a chance to cast a new main character for the franchise are they all human?

Rose, whoever Benicio Del Toro was supposed to be, Holdo.

Why no Twi'leks or Togrutas?

Why can't we get some Ventress and Ahsoka up in this bitch?

What a bunch of xenophobes! Plus, boring.
 
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I don't think theirs even been a Twi'lek or Torguta in the background of any of the new movies which is super odd.
 
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pharmakos said:
behind a paywall, i would really like to read that retardation for myself.
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wut, just click no or open incognito.

Here is a taste

“Remember,” said Obi-Wan Kenobi to a young Luke Skywalker in the first Star Wars film, “a Jedi can feel the Force flowing through him”.

Talk about pale, male and stale. In the 40 years since, the series has become more progressive. “The Last Jedi,” proclaimed The Guardian, “is the most triumphantly feminist Star Wars movie yet.”

“Both in terms of women and non-white characters, there’s a celebratory inclusiveness that seems entirely in the Jedi spirit,” wrote film critic Anna Smith. “The Last Jedi depicts women as multifaceted, multi-generational, multiracial,” said Annalise Ophelian, author of Social Justice Practice in Documentary Filmmaking.

“It is a deeply empathetic story that explores the dangers of toxic masculinity, the competency of women, and the boxes we all must break out of to be free,” wrote Katyi Burt of movie review website Den of Geek.

Rejoice if you will at the demise of the patriarchy in that galaxy far, far away. You probably left the cinema with a sense of satisfaction at this blow for equality, thinking this film edgy and woke. But if you search your inner feelings there is a sense of disquiet — perhaps even disgust — at what has become the series’ central message. Disney is what we in the progressive movement call a “fake ally”.
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wat said:
I don't think theirs even been a Twi'lek or Torguta in the background of any of the new movies which is super odd.
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There was a twi'lek in the crowd in a scene from the trading post near the beginning of Rogue One. There was also one shown dancing in a holo recording that someone was watching in the same movie, in Saw's lair as I recall.
 
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Haha. Ya, TLJ is a Star Wars movie and other than rose colored glasses or kids eyes none of them hold up well to scrutiny though I dearly love all of them.
 
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Well, the retards have spoken, Empire is a shitty movie because rose colored glasses.
 
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Royal said:
I think this is part of the reason I'm so torn over this one. It's got some real problems but I'd have a hard time denying that RJ was trying to bust Star Wars out of the narrow little box it's existed in for so long now, which is something I've been wanting to see happen. The execution really fell flat in some places though. But I tend to think, at least I'd hope, that if he still gets the chance to do a separate trilogy from scratch one of the things he'll leave behind is the entire rebellion dynamic as the centerpiece for the story. Not to the extent of completely taking the war out of Star Wars but to make it more of a backdrop than the thing the story is built around. And I think that might be a better arrangement for him to direct in, since some of the issues I had with this one center around the way he chose to handle or fit in those military conflict pieces to the narrative.
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Its iffy. A lot of influencers on social media have called an Order 66 on him. Some pretty "big" personalities. I was really surprised when the words "order 66 rian johnson" left some of these peoples mouths on their broadcasts. I gasped a few times like did this person really just say that.

The death threats and graphic evisceration of TLJ are nonstop on his own personal IG page and his other social media. An order 66 could (will) include harassment of family members related to Rian, girlfriends, parents, and so forth. He'll eventually be doxxed in some way. An order 66 doesn't end until the target submits.

There is a chance Lucas Film, or Rian himself, sees this and says its too much baggage associated with this director and mutually agree to part ways.
 
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