Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017)

radditsu_sl said:

Not exactly, the nuance was she was so latently powerful in the force when the connection was severed it actually damaged the force itself. Kreia's whole endgame was to use you/ your connection to the force to kill it in its entirety, once she found that the force itself could be damaged. The dumbass MMO and the dumbass Book does come into a little bit into this because she turns into something a ton more powerful than a obi-wan/yoda type force ghost. I admit it was super muddled due to KOTOR 2 ending being a complete technical abortion since it wasnt finished.

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You're remembering wrong. It was unleashing the mass shadow generators on Malachor V that created the wound in the force, Surik severed her connection to the force to protect her from the backlash. Part of that wound was reflected through Surik, which is what freaked out the surviving masters to the point of trying to forcibly sever your connection to the force again. Surik did have a unique power to form force connections with everyone around her, which was what Kreia was looking to exploit, but at the end you were racing to Malachor V to prevent Kreia from killing herself, which would tear the wound wide enough to kill the force or something.

Regardless of how bungled the ending got, the wound in the force is what caused Surik to sever her connection to it, not vice versa.

radditsu_sl said:

It's the pulled back hair. She is great looking in the real world.

I hope Luke spent the time to extract Vader semen, this series just got more interesting!

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I totally think she's hot, it just worked for the purposes of my post. Her face still isn'tgreatthough, distinctly British looking I guess, but who would kick her out of bed over it?

Hoss_sl said:

What did she become? It wasn't abeloth was it? I always felt I was missing part of that story.

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Nah, just stuck around Revan in the MMO.

Criminally underused.

Rey is either a force avatar or a former student of Luke's. There is no other possible explanation, period.

She is more powerful than Leia's son. You guys are forgetting that the fact that Ren is basically a SKYWALKER, and she out-forces him without any training whatsoever. It doesn't matter who here parents are; her connection to the lightsaber and he innate ability and quick learning with the force leave only two options. Force Avatar or Luke's student. Ren is a Skywalker who has rudimentary training, and he gets stomped in combat and force abilities.

I've never heard any mention of memory wipes in any canon SW material, but Force Avatars ARE canon. That leads me to strongly believe that she's a reincarnation, and this will lead to some stupid level drama when Ren realizes that Rey is basically Anakin, who he worships.

(WeMAYeven see some crazy switch where Rey turns dark, and Ren is redeemed. Ren then needs to defeat Rey to save the galaxy. Killing the avatar that brings "balance to the force" permanently destroying the Dark Side. That's pushing it.)

There are just so many possibilities of how this story could unfold if Rey is indeed an Avatar, which makes her more powerful than Luke. If Luke is the most powerful being in the Galaxy then the good-guys basically outgun the bad now that their superweapon has been destroyed, which means they'll need to kill off Luke to create any sort of tension. There HAS to be a more powerful being than Luke if Luke is to survive. Rey being the Avatar and turning just leads to ALL sorts of butterflies.

...if you are discounting Force Avatar just because, you really need to reconsider the evidence. It fits, and JJ Abrams is responsible for LOST, so a twist like this is very, very likely. Luke being alive and kicking ass for the next two films just isn't his style. The protagonist rarely outguns the antagonist, and they can't just kill him off because they've already done that to Han and fans will be up in arms.

Something happens that pits Luke vs Rey, or basically some manner in which a conflict in which the Dark Side can be permanently destroyed (throwing the force out of balance), or else the cycle will just repeat itself ala Battlestar Galactica (it has happened before, it will happen again). The only way this logically can happen is if a Force Avatar is present.

Luke is just far more powerful than Snoke (who is Palpatine's master) and Ren, and that's just too fucking boring. We're going to see all new levels of force powers.

(She's also a supernatural pilot, like Anakin, even though she's never piloted a ship before. Luke had tons of practice, and wasn't as good a pilot as Vader. Rey has unnatural abilities with spacecraft even though she has never touched one. Think Anakin in The Phantom Menace, he just "knows" how to fly. The Phantom Menace IS canon regardless as to how much it sucks.)

She could be a student of Luke's but... it's basically Luke and his student vs Snoke and his student. Boring.

She is NOT Obi-Wan's relative. That's bullshit. Obi-Wan was dedicated to the Jedi code and did not have children, and even if he did he wasn't that powerful a Jedi. That does not explain her freakishly good connection the the force.
Ridley looks like an actor who could play both an innocent girl, and someone who is quite evil.

The Force Awakens.

Rey is the Force.

The film is about Rey's progression. From scavenger to Jedi in a week.

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Dude... settle down.

I'm settled. But I'm definitely right.

Pavlov's Gun. Rey could have been rescued, ala Leiah. Instead the movie shows that she's more powerful than Ren. Why?

There's only two explanations for her being more powerful than a Skywalker. A skywalker whom has been trained by Luke & by Darth Plagueis (the two most experienced force users left), and has seen real combat. Anakin wasn't the chosen one. Rey is!

Something else to consider. What if neither Anakin or Luke were the chosen one?

Is Rey The Real Chosen One? - Thorgis Theories - YouTube

Rey is so powerful that she's felt throughout the force via Palpatine's voiceover. "There's been an awakening, have you felt it?" Everything he says fits is spot on, that's why there's a new trilogy.

Thorgi' goes on to say that she may be a creation, and Palpatine says that his master could create life. Plagueis is Snoke, and Snoke created Rey. Rey becomes the chosen one, thus the Chosen One was created by the Sith. Possible? Fits. Would be awesome.

It doesn't definitively show her as more powerful as Ren. It shows her as strong enough to hold off his first attempt to force his way into his mind, and it shows her winning a fight against an already badly wounded Ren who, moments ago, had trouble beating a lightsaber wielding stormtrooper reject.

You are basically the Astr0creep of this thread.

Ren tried to read her mind and not only did she resist, but she probed his. It definitively shows her out-forcing him and you could tell that he was surprised that she got into his mind. He even goes on to tell his master, "...but I'm more powerful than she knows!"

No other person in the history of the franchise could use Force Powers without training. None. Not even Anakin. And here this girl is, using mind control, mind reading, telekinesis, and is skilled with both a ship and saber. And nobody knows who her parents are???

Miguex_sl said:

I actually agreed with a bunch of your first post, and then in the space of 2 hours you went full mongo. I'll start and end with Snoke being the wrong race to be Plageuis. The rest of what you posted isn't even worth countering.

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Well I said that the rest was speculation. She's Anakin 2.0, the rest were just possibilities as to where the plot could go if it turns out that she's a Force Baby. Plagueis creating her, her turning to the Dark Side, and all the other stuff aren't very likely and I think I said that quite a few times. Just having a bit of fun.

There's not much evidence to clarify whether she's THE Chosen One or ANOTHER Chosen One, or perhaps just another Force Avatar there to balance it all out. That really depends on where Disney plans on going with this story, and if any movies are planned beyond these three. It's obvious that Lucan intended for Anakin to be the Chosen One, but Disney could say, "Fuck you George! Anakin's mother was lying and really didn't have a virgin birth, just like Mary lied in real life. The Chosen One is neither Luke nor Anakin!' We really don't know just how much Disney plans to change.

As far Plagueis being Snoke. I think it's very likely. Snoke definitely looks like a holographic Muun, who's been badly damaged.



I pose these questions:

Do you truly believe it's a coincidence that Snoke and the Opera scene share the same score?
SW TFA Snoke theme - YouTube

Do you truly believe it's a coincidence that those two staves are identical? From hilt to end, there's absolutely NO difference. So why is Rey carrying Plagueis' staff?



Nobody has confirmed what race Snoke is, so how can you say he's not a Muun. I mean if I were to CGI a version of that action figure, minus the metal mask, it'd come out very similar to this. "OH, BUT THEY AREN'T IDENTICAL!"
Well it's not like Abrams cast a caucasian as Khan.


Rey is, or will be, the strongest force user in Star Wars canon. We shouldn't be saying, "it doesn't make since that Rey is so strong!" but instead asking, "Why is she so powerful?" We really don't know EXACTLY what she is, or how she came into being, but she's not just a normal child, and certainly not related to Luke, Kenobi, Solo, or any other characters.

Fuckin stoners...

Woolygimp_sl said:

Nobody has confirmed what race Snoke is

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But is has been confirmed that Snoke is not Sith.

Those staves aren't identical. You've gone full Astr0.

Royal_sl said:

But is has been confirmed that Snoke is not Sith.

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He's not. Darth Plagueis ceased being a Sith when he concealed his survival from Palpatine. Not everything about the prequels was bad, and the opera scene was amazing. Why is the opera theme almost identical to Snoke's? Why wouldn't they resurrect such an interesting character as the villain?

Twilight Sparkle_sl said:

Those staves aren't identical. You've gone full Astr0.

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Fine. I'm not saying that Rey has anything to do with Plagueis, only that she's the most powerful force user we've yet to see in any of the movies. She's not a normal human teenager, and she probably has some pretty unusual, mythical, or crazy origins. I think it's very unlikely that she's anyone's "child". The whole movie basically shows just how crazy strong Rey becomes in a super short period of time (the entire movie happens over the course of a week or two).

Do you know how incredibly unlikely it is for Anakin's saber to have been recovered from that fall from Cloud City? And yet it appears in the film? Why bring it back? Why does the protagonist share a relationship with it?

Please don't Hodj this thread up.