Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017)

You really are dumb as fuck. I never said Snoke couldn't possibly be Plagueis, I simply refuted your nonsensical garbage about it being impossible for him to be anybody else.

Vvoid_sl said:

Like Gavin, I can't argue that it isn't possible, but I'm not sure you are understanding what the word "fact" means. "Really likely, given the evidence we have" would be harder for people to argue with, but "fact"? Not even a little bit.

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Yeah, well I won't argue with this. I mean it really comes down to the direction and even integrity of the writer and director. If Vince Gilligan and Peter Gould put clues in Better Call Saul/Breaking Bad, then you know it's foreshadowing or that they're going to make good on the hints they've dropped. Just like 'FRINGS BACK' puzzle being in the titles of the episodes of Better Call Saul, you can expect his appearance. I don't have nearly as much faith in JJ Abrams because so much of his work makes absolutely no sense, logically, scientifically, and even creatively.

I mean there's really no explanation for Snoke and Plagueis themes being exactly the same unless they're trying to drop hints, but it being JJ Abrams is the only thing that gives me pause. Look at LOST. The whole fucking show was a huge puzzle that in the end could not be put together.

If you actually watch 'The Force Awakens' a lot of it is just, "wtf?" Like a C-3PO saying, "they're going to fire in 2 minutes!" and then Finn/Rey having covered about two miles of open ground in that span of time. Then the X-Wings were in sub-space headed towards Starkiller and at the exact moment the shields drop they just come out of light speed like they were just sitting there the entire time, waiting for Han. How can you be going "faster than the speed of light" but drop out where you want, EXACTLY when you want, when you don't have any idea how long it's going to take for the heroes to lower the shields? Then the entire thing about "landing at light speed" and penetrating the shields really fucking bothers me because it's a trope that he's used before, and it's so fucking stupid.

Or Rey teleporting in front of Finn so she's able to intercept him by popping out from behind a box in his path and trip him. You know, just like Kylo Ren teleports into the forest ahead of the heroes so that he can intercept Finn and Rey as they run towards the Falcon with a very sizeable headstart.

You know I understand that it's "Science Fiction" but at least fucking write shit to make sense and still be dramatic. It isn't hard. Nothing sums up J.J. Abrams better than,"he loves mystery boxes with nothing inside them." The Force Awakens has more plot holes than any other Sci-Fi film I've ever seen except Star Trek and Star Trek: Into Darkness.

So Rey's mastery of the force is either something significant (if Abrams was actually a good director) or just another in about a hundred other plotholes within this movie, and it's so hard to tell.

I dig the nerd theory crafting.

Careful, a lot of morons around here think that movie was God's gift or some such, instead of just a waste of the IP. Here's to hoping for the next one!

Nonsensical rambling followed by half made up and half just irrelevant evidence.

Quality trolling

Thank fuck I'm not such a frothing aspie nerd that it ruins my movie going experience

I watched that whole 12 minute video any the only thing that comes close is the music theme thing, and even that is a stretch. The guy even says at the end he's not convinced by his own theory. If he is Plagueis, them that's admitting midicloriens are a thing, and I'm guessing they are going to stay far far away from that.

Snoke saw the rise and fall of the galactic empire... so did Han Solo, Mon Mothma, General Akbar and countless others. Wasn't it only a 20-25 year span?

I saw the rise and fall. Fuck we all did. Rey better not come looking for support. Even if she is the Avatar of the Eight Forces.

Drakain_sl said:

I watched that whole 12 minute video any the only thing that comes close is the music theme thing, and even that is a stretch. The guy even says at the end he's not convinced by his own theory. If he is Plagueis, them that's admitting midicloriens are a thing, and I'm guessing they are going to stay far far away from that.

Snoke saw the rise and fall of the galactic empire... so did Han Solo, Mon Mothma, General Akbar and countless others. Wasn't it only a 20-25 year span?

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Even if they never bring them back up again, midichlorians are canon. On top of Ep 1, I think they got a passing mention somewhere in Clone Wars too.

Look, I liked the Force Awakens and I like it more that I read up on the backstory. Still Abrams could have done things slightly differently to craft a much more believable story, but I do understand that he had 2 hours to put almost every major player on the screen.

There's a line at the very beginning where the guy Poe Dameron is talking to says, "There can be no balance without the Jedi."

So if that isn't just some random throwaway line that means that neither Anakin nor Luke were the Chosen One because balance has yet to be restored, as there are no Jedi. That is further proof that Rey may have some mysterious origins and be a much bigger player than we are lead to believe.

Also, she was left with Unkar (the asshole pawnshop owner who tries to have her mugged for the droid) and was basically forced into a life of involuntary servitude/slavery. Luke, Han, or none of the good guys would have done this, for any reason. So we can reason that her family, if she really even has any (I think she's the real Chosen One), are basically a bunch of assholes, or are villains.

The biggest evidence that Plagueis is Snoke is that Collider's feature article featured Plagueis portrait as Snoke (they had insider information, including the CANON origins/identities of all the new major characters such as Maz, etc.) but Disney requested that they remove it. As the author pointed out, in a ten year relationship, even when he's flogged Disney movies, they have never requested that he remove an article. He basically put a little too much information in the feature, information that wasn't meant to be disseminated yet.

I believe that Rey is the real Chosen One, but that's heavy speculation based on the tweets and what we've seen so far. No other origin really makes sense, and it would definitely be a cool twist to come full circle.
I know that Snoke is Plagueis. He just is. If he isn't, I'll come back and post a video of me eating my shoe.

How much more heavy handed do they have to get with their hints?Soundtracks Imply Snoke is Darth Plagueis - YouTube

Look at the notes as they're compared. Only one addition in the ENTIRE score is a third pitch in the ascending line meant to signify Snoke's return to power. Who else would they creatively have as their villain if not a former Sith more powerful than Palpatine? I mean he's perhaps one of the strongest Dark Side users in canon, someone who cheat death itself? Plagueis is going to be an awesome villain. He's stronger than Luke, he's stronger than Yoda, and the only person who could perhaps take him down currently would be... a reincarnation of the force itself.

Holy fuckballs.

You really think someone like Luke, Leiah, Han, or a Kenobi would've left their daughter with Unkar to live that meager existence?

If Plagueis did survive and is Snoke, wouldn't he disband the Sith rule of two having directly been witness to its flaws as Sith after Sith have murdered one another in attempt to gain as much power as possible?
This means he wouldn't return as a Sith, but as something else, another type of Dark Side user who has inspired the creation of the Knights of Ren and would probably accept as many apprentices, Dark Side users as possible?

HINT: SNOKE IS NOT A SITH. Of course he isn't.

Ok Chuk.

Did you know Plageis was FORCEd to change his name to Snoke because everyone knew the Force Awakens and Wizard of Oz match up perfectly.

It's a fact. It was on the Internet.

Star Wars: Force Awakens syncs with Dark Side of the Moon by Pink Floyd | EW.com

Jait_sl said:

Did you know Plageis was FORCEd to change his name to Snoke because everyone knew the Force Awakens and Wizard of Oz match up perfectly.

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Well if he's no longer a fucking Sith, then he'd have to change his name because he's no longer Darth anything.

One possible reason he hasn't completed Kylo Ren's training (yet) is because he's learned that teaching his apprentice everything he knows can lead to betrayal, so he's hesitant in giving Ren too much power. Ren isn't his first apprentice. I mean that in itself is a big fucking clue, because we've yet to see the apprentice of any Dark Side user that's not a Sith yet.

Rey is Leia and Snokes kid. It's obvious. Han told her that Kylo was lost to the Dark Side and Leia said that's swell why don't you go and get him back anyway. Then Kylo killed him preparing the way for the Quizno's Hadarach. That's why they didn't mention Spice. It's in the new tasty sub Disney is releasing this fall.

Reys Force Vision In-depth Breakdown EVERY CAMEO AND REFERENCE - YouTube

Good youtube movie. Kylo Ren has Luke's saber and probably kills one of his own men who is trying to kill Rey, and Ren saves her. Rey also sees a young boy in Cloud City. The question is why does Ren have Luke's green saber?

Maybe Ach'To is attacked and Luke goes to town and kills a bunch of Knights of Ren, gets killed, and then Ren saves Rey? I don't know, really can't take anything else away from that scene other than it's probably in the future.