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Torrid

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Blizzard's target audience is apparently 12 year olds. Their games look like cartoons with stories having about as much depth and logic as a cartoon.

I actually had some hope for Zerg in multiplayer after doing the campaign. Wow, did they really get rid of that fucking lame as shit spawn larva and make creep tumors less gay? Autocast transfusions? Sweet! Then I load up a bot game for the big let down. I find it hilarious that they gave Zerg that shitty fucking swarm host unit instead of either one of the badass hydra mutations/strains.

Protoss so won the roll on the new units IMO. Fuck if I'll ever play the other two races in MP this expac. Of course I'm bad, so all the APM tweekers and esport watchers will probably not share my opinion of the new micro units. (though I also dislike them because they look silly) I still think Blizzard are cowards for being so terrified of pissing off the pro gamers. The biggest problem with the game IMO is that you see virtually no strategy until the very high end of the skill curve because players are required to do so much clicking for routine tasks and Blizzard is doing nothing about it.
 
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Quineloe

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Anyone else having a hard time unlocking Kerrigan power 70 through replays of missions? I have her at 70, I actually replayed the last mission with her at 70 and achievement remains unlocked
 
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Overall I enjoyed the campaign, but I liked the WoL campaign better. Pretty much facerolled it on brutal in 2 long play sessions, it was a bit easy. I actually prefer the gimmicky levels as there are so many other ways to play a "normal" match against AI, and the added time pressure/unique units are welcome.

The story isn't that great, it is about the level of an average sci-fi short story or novel. Honestly though, it always has been that way if you take off the nostalgia glasses. The Warcraft stories are at about the same, average fantasy stuff.

As for the ONE level where there are complaints about it being "WoWed" up, I like that level. It was a nice change of pace and really it played more like a PvE DotA than WoW.

Achievements wise, I got a little more than half of them just playing through. I will go back and try to 100% it. I am sitting at about 96% on the WoL campaign, only missing a couple of the story achievements (the ones where you buy all of the upgrades for a category, and the final lost viking one.)

Overall, it was alright. It really did feel like more of an expansion than a full game though, you can see where they cut corners compared to WoL.
 
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Torrid: What exactly do you mean by pissing off the progamers ? They are juggling the game being fun to play, easy to watch and 3 different races being balanced, it's actually really fucking hard. While not even Blizzard denies they could be doing more, eliminating years of balancing in the process seems to be rather short-sighted. The multiplayer is deceptively complex and while there is some wiggle room when it comes to balancing, every change can have unforeseen consequences.

Strategy or lack of it due to lot of clicking being necessary, it's rather similar to old school FPS ala Quake and modern brown manshooters, you had way more control and less RNG situations, which let a few people achieve some rather inhuman feats, whereas right now most shooters award frags even to the drooling retard who managed to shoot vaguely in your direction because the stars aligned. Blizzard removed almost all the parts where you had to play around the shitty UI, while keeping the gameplay intact. There absolutely is strategy present in lower leagues, it's just that when people meet with different levels of execution, the guy with more stuff wins and strategy is distant second.
 
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Don't understand all the hate, sure I'd like more rts missions and less adventure missions, but at least the adventure missions so far from what I've seen are really well done, MUCH better than WoL.

@ Torrid Pretty much what Zaphid said, there were what ~20 beta multiplayer balance patches, they beta tested multiplayer balance a LONG time. You can't just give zerg op hydralisks and expect everything to be ok.
 
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Void Rays got a Nerf/buff in hots in that they do more with beam alignment but less when on cooldown. So you really want to avoid them hitting armored during that time.
 
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Tenks

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Torrid_sl said:
Blizzard's target audience is apparently 12 year olds. Their games look like cartoons with stories having about as much depth and logic as a cartoon.

I actually had some hope for Zerg in multiplayer after doing the campaign. Wow, did they really get rid of that fucking lame as shit spawn larva and make creep tumors less gay? Autocast transfusions? Sweet! Then I load up a bot game for the big let down. I find it hilarious that they gave Zerg that shitty fucking swarm host unit instead of either one of the badass hydra mutations/strains.

Protoss so won the roll on the new units IMO. Fuck if I'll ever play the other two races in MP this expac. Of course I'm bad, so all the APM tweekers and esport watchers will probably not share my opinion of the new micro units. (though I also dislike them because they look silly) I still think Blizzard are cowards for being so terrified of pissing off the pro gamers. The biggest problem with the game IMO is that you see virtually no strategy until the very high end of the skill curve because players are required to do so much clicking for routine tasks and Blizzard is doing nothing about it.
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Lol say the game is made for 12 year olds then complain MP is too hard. What a joke. You clearly have no grasp on what "RT" and "S" stand for in this genre. Here is a quick example of a deviated strategy in MP. I make my depot at 8. That is a pretty huge strategy tell for anyone who knows what it means.
 
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Tenks

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I think I'm going to stick to the unranked ladder for a week or two until some builds shake out and I can figure out my "standard" opener. Right now I'm just kind of winging it in all matchups except TvZ -- which I just use my old WoL build minus switching my factory to techlab after 3cc and I just keep making mines instead.
 
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So after youtubing the cinematics its pretty clear Blizzard took a huge shit on the franchise in terms of story. Can only imagine how idiotic LoV is going to be seeing as how they went even dumber with HoTS.
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To show that Kerrigan is willing to sacrifice herself for Jim, it's no big deal she's killed millions upon millions of people. It's cool because now she has a heart. Also, the same reason he's in that room without a toilet(it can't be a real prison cell just for that reason alone). So maybe Mengsk had some crazy plan that Jim would shoot her on sight since she changed back. No one knows, Blizzard too strong in writing.

Though it might just be the same reason that Narud could hurt Kerrigan though she's shown time and time again she doesn't really feel pain and can regenerate at will... there's just a ton of shit that went wrong.

Also, shouldn't the artifact have not hurt Kerrigan anymore? She got reforged as a primal Zerg, so... her psionic connection to the swarm should be just from her having psionic abilities(and they're magnified when reforged giving her the ability to reach farther with it) and not from being the new Zerg, right?

On the bright side, the Zeratul/Kerrigan scene ended up being the best cinematic again.
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Personally love how Kerrigan/Raynor where retconned into being lovers and his best friend(Fenix) being murdered by her for no reason was no biggie, just makes WoL all the more dumber if thats how things turned out to be
 
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Call me crazy, but WoW had some good stories here and there.
What the fuck happened? War3 wasn't exactly the pinnacle of well crafted story, but it wasn't this bad. was it?
Although, I suppose the retconning in WoW got worse and worse too. now I think about it..
 
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Big Phoenix_sl said:
So after youtubing the cinematics its pretty clear Blizzard took a huge shit on the franchise in terms of story. Can only imagine how idiotic LoV is going to be seeing as how they went even dumber with HoTS.

Personally love how Kerrigan/Raynor where retconned into being lovers and his best friend(Fenix) being murdered by her for no reason was no biggie, just makes WoL all the more dumber if thats how things turned out to be
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I'd be surprised if anyone at Blizzard actually was around when that part of the story line happened.
 
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Torrid_sl said:
Protoss so won the roll on the new units IMO. Fuck if I'll ever play the other two races in MP this expac.
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Hideous and unfair things can be done with swarm hosts. I watched some replays.

Toss definitely not the 3rd wheel they used to be. Terran still the best imo.
 
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Why do I get the feeling HotS could turn out exactly how WoL did. Terran dominating early only to get slowly nerfed. Zerg getting minor buffs over and over again until they actually learn to play and just start owning. All the while protoss sit in the middle of it all not able to do anything because once their 2 base push gets figured out they're done for.
 
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