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Listening to Taeja/Byun's stream they play the new Psy song on loop as well.
I have no idea how Keen dealt with Squirtle late game. It didn't look like he did much differently than other Terrans but he just managed to handle Squirtle in the late game.
I have no idea how Keen dealt with Squirtle late game. It didn't look like he did much differently than other Terrans but he just managed to handle Squirtle in the late game.
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Squirtle was playing really bad in his PvZs, so it's not out of the question that he got his HT's EMP'd or colossi sniped. It's just that you need to place depos to have vision everywhere, something you should be doing anyway and that turns it into easy wins. As long as you don't go 2fac BF hellion ...
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So, looks like HotS isn't going to help protoss out that much at all and it's going to be another expansion dominated by Terran and Zerg. Ro16 for GSL (WCS, w/e) will have at most 3 protoss. Most likely only 2 because the chances of Parting getting out of that group of death looks very slim. Then you look at MLG, the only other big HotS tournament and protoss only got far into that by feeding on all the shitty foreigners, where eventually they lose to a korean T or Z. I suppose MC got 4th in MLG, yet he's already knocked out on GSL.
It's sad because I have no clue what protoss could even do. You either have to catch the enemy off guard with some type of harass or 2 base all-in or you're stuck playing defensive the whole time playing from behind.
It's sad because I have no clue what protoss could even do. You either have to catch the enemy off guard with some type of harass or 2 base all-in or you're stuck playing defensive the whole time playing from behind.
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On the other hand you have proleague where toss is smashing heads left and right. PvZ seems to lean towards the toss and PvT lategame is still the same until terrans figure how good hellbats are against zealots. Protoss also have much weaker representation in GSL - Hero, hero, Jangbi, Stork, Bisu are all absent
Hellbats are decent but they're not the answer Toss players are making them out to be. They cost the same as 2 marines, lack stim, cannot kite and make splitting more awkward. As a simple comparision even against Zealots 2x marines w/ stimpack do 21 DPS (unmitigated.) Where a Hellbat does 15 DPS (unmitigated.) Obviously that isn't factoring in AOE and your Hellbat will, generally, hit at least 2 Zealots.
Not saying they're a bad unit. I saw Keen using them late game versus Squirtle but I've seen them become the new vogue thing for Protoss to tell Terran to just make them and suddenly we'll win engagements. And that isn't true.
Not saying they're a bad unit. I saw Keen using them late game versus Squirtle but I've seen them become the new vogue thing for Protoss to tell Terran to just make them and suddenly we'll win engagements. And that isn't true.
Finally getting around to watching yesterday's matches. Looks like 1rax FE TvP is just a dead build. Looks like either you do something for a bit on 1base or just go CC first these days.
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It's funny because I was thinking the same thing, hoping either him or Polt take it all.
A tonnnn of protoss coming to dreamhack though, some decent ones with MC, HerO & Oz. No Life either. Although Leenock is coming so he'll probably end up winning it all.
Don't underestimate EU Protoss either. I'd argue some of the EU Toss are playing up to par with their KR counterparts lately.
Also I want to steal Innovation's soul to obtain his SC2 skills. Mother or lord that guy is insanely precise. He has to be the best all around Terran on the planet at the moment.
Watching the Maru vs Soulkey game3 I'm wondering if Terran could take a page out of saviOr's book and start planning your opponents retreat and punish them. Maru is doing a great job showing the strength and also the weakness of the Raven. HSM is good and all but very easy to dodge completely. So Maru will like up 3 HSM, Soulkey just walks backwards then returns. Why not exploit that fact and hide some Hellbats in the fog of war in the Zerg's only retreat path and have the Hydralisks retreatintoyour hellbats. Shit would be cash money.
Well I was assuming you'd have the transformation upgrade so you could zip them around and in in hellion mode and transform to bats.
I think I just saw the move you were talking about Zaphid. The game on Star Station?
Yeah not exactly what I was talking about. That was more Flash just having his drop defended at the main and then just turning that failed tactic into a pincer. But similar in spirit, yes. Don't think flash planned that retreat, though.
Yeah not exactly what I was talking about. That was more Flash just having his drop defended at the main and then just turning that failed tactic into a pincer. But similar in spirit, yes. Don't think flash planned that retreat, though.
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TBH I wouldn't be surprised if it was a tactic he had noted down at some point and now he just pulled it out of his hat and looked like a genius.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...opic_id=408416TL Map contest 2
If the winner is of the caliber of CK, Fuck yeah.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...opic_id=408416TL Map contest 2
If the winner is of the caliber of CK, Fuck yeah.
I think it was just a split second decision. He sent that double medivac drop out to the main base but Soulkey had Roaches in the main so he chilled it over the (untaken, normal) third. When Soulkey retreated his attack at Flash's third I saw the would-be drop move again to cut the retreat. Cool tactic yes but I don't think it was pre-meditated.