StarCraft 2

I think that playstyle would be weaker if they nerfed harass potential of hellbats - namely not making them biological so they can't be healed and have finite life when ferried around in medivac. Widow mines are already your goto unit against allins and nerfing them could bring it's own host of problems. Early game is still surprisingly unstable in HotS

I think balance wise the game is nearly perfect and nothing big needs to happen. There is a chance Terran could still sweep WCS. I doubt either Ryung or aLive will win WCS NA but I guess aLive has a decent shot. Though I still feel Hero is the favorite to win that tournament. Wouldn't be shocked to see Crank vs Hero in the finals.

I just hope Blizzard realizes that just because the tip top Terrans have success doesn't mean the race itself needs to be nerfed into the ground like they did with WoL. You can objectively look at the WCS EU games and come to the conclusion Mvp was the better player. You can objectively look at the Innovation games and realize he is just outplaying his opponents. Your opinion on TvZ seems to be largely based around Innovation, the undisputed best TvZ player in the world, constantly hammering Zergs. I still think he's playing the best out of anyone in Korea but he could still lose to a TvT or TvP I feel. His TvZ, however, I feel is unstoppable. And he had to play pretty much nothing but Zergs this Code S run.

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Just looked it up. This season for Innovation:

1 TvT
1 TvP
4 TvZ (5 including soulkey)

If we take away Innovation's TvZ we get:

13 set wins for Zerg in TvZ
8 set wins for Terran in TvZ

Well, GSL is kinda specific, because all the players qualified were from WoL and the balance was skewed towards zerg, with protosses getting the short end of the stick, so even with balanced game you have low number of them, giving the illusion of UP race. WCS EU is where Nani and Grubby got pretty brutal groups and Babyknight was outclassed by Stephano. Proleague is where meticulously planned, map specific builds rule supreme, which is reflected by the amount of protosses fielded, because you aren't going to plan out a macro build...

I think it still needs a bit more time TBH, but they aren't going to introduce balance changes in the middle of WCS season.

I think the game is pretty damn good at this point. Speaking mostly from a Zerg perspective, but I feel like every unit (minus maybe the Corrupter) has it's place in the game and in certain match-ups. I have 3+ different builds and strategies that I use for all the match-ups and feel like I can experiment some as well if I wanted to. The game is certainly 100% better and diverse now than it was at the some point in the WoL life cycle.

You don't utilize the corruptors? They are beasts vs. colossi and tempests as well as being the pathway to the absolute beasts Broodlords. Also they destroy vikings.

I think he is just saying the Corruptor really lacks a reason to be built other than "because he made Collosi" or "It will be turned into a BL" -- which is a fair statement

fair enough

Yeah, they missed a chance to make them actually interesting in HotS. It's a bit like stalkers, you are never like "Fuck yeah, Stalkers!", but more like: "I have too many zealots, I need AA, he made mutas, I wish I had immortals instead ..."

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I think he is just saying the Corruptor really lacks a reason to be built other than "because he made Collosi" or "It will be turned into a BL" -- which is a fair statement

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I'd rather use Vipers vs Collosi anyways. I just cannot think of any scenario where it's, "I build Corruptors now, or I die". Skytoss maybe, but your likely already dead if you let the Toss get an aerial deathball anyways.

I just hate Corruptors. They are over-priced, too slow, and have a shitty mico-intensive activated ability that should be auto-cast or scrapped all-together. At the very least, it should be a speed debuff instead of a damage add.

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Yeah, they missed a chance to make them actually interesting in HotS. It's a bit like stalkers, you are never like "Fuck yeah, Stalkers!", but more like: "I have too many zealots, I need AA, he made mutas, I wish I had immortals instead ..."

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Not every unit needs to be cream-in-the-pants fun to make. But there are absolutely zero timings revolving around Corruptors. There is no reason to sprinkle them in your army. I mean, how is an Immortal any more "exciting" than a Stalker other than it lives longer? I'd almost argue it is a less interesting unit since Stalkers lend themselves so heavily towards micro.

Once you go beyond certain amount of stalkers, they are not worth the micro compared to other units, like sentries, they are fairly shitty AA, especially against mutas and immortals provide concentrated firepower. They are the unit you use to plug in the gaps in your army. There are also quite a few timings revolving around Immortals, including defensive ones, like vs 2rax. They tear every armored unit in the game to shreds, it always makes me happy to see them eat through a tank line, 3-shotting each. Need to kill a building really fast ? Immortals have the highest dps vs buildings, along with DTs. You can also micro them with WP, since they fire instantly and they are one of the very few units in protoss army without active ability.

Damn First and Hurricane looking pretty strong today

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Interesting play by MKP as well. Even when First was on Templar tech he just kept shoving MMM + Hellbat down his opponent's throat instead of getting Ghosts.

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I also like MKP's build. May have to steal it. It is very similar to Demuslim's build but basically you open 12/12 but immediately make a reactor, double reaper and then everything after that appears pretty much identical. One game he went Ebay -> CC -> SD and another he went SD -> CC -> Ebay. He possibly went with the latter because the Protoss were loving doing Zealot+Stalker+MSC pokes in the early game.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...opic_id=415174
Vortix and Lucifron to Mouz, kinda reminds me of Praetoriani and Throzain.

TL hype article for GSL finals, I'm pumped:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...opic_id=415097
Feels like BW finals of old, TvZ and those guys are indisputably among the best players right now, with Innovation being on TvZ tear rivalling Flash and Oov. Shit's gonna be epic.

We need to get our GSL finals predictions in now so no one can do the old "Oh IknewSoulKey was going to win" shit.

4-1 Innovation

4-1 or 4-2 Innovation.

Anybody who honestly thinks Soulkey stands a chance against Innovation is crazy. Innovation is going to have to choke hard to lose. His level of play, between GSL and Proleague is absolutely insane. I'm actually tempted to sleep extra tonight so I can stay up and watch all the games tomorrow for the finals. Haven't actually watched a live GSL finals for a loooong time.

I'm guessing Innovation wins 4-1, but I'm hoping it goes 4-3 with lots of epic games. Either way, Innovation wins.

Well I dunno. The all-killer himself Flash:

Q: tomorrow is the GSL finals.

Flash: I am neutral. Two players are about the same. Both are first time finalists. Who is not nervous will win. Their skills are about the same. Soulkey's practice partner for GSL finals is me. I think he is the strongest Zerg among all.

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What time are these running?

As of the time of posting this (10:00 EST) it is in 16 hours. AKA 2 in the morning.

Bogus, maybe I'll catch a few. Innovation 4-2, going for it