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Zaphid

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I think Stardust has yet to play macro in PvZ or harass at all. You do what you need to win, but come on ...
 

Tenks

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He's employing the "Do nothing then win" strategy. It is my Achilles Heel on ladder playing vP.
 

Zaphid

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...or lose horribly. You can see that Jaedong is playing much better. Last game will be cannon rush or that nogas warpgate rush.
 

Sidian

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Was afk, about to tune back in, I see it's going to game 5. Is Stardust still doing his good ol' Immortal/Sentry/Zealot push 24/7?
 

Sidian

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Tune into game 5, same immortal push. I love cheering for protoss but god damn 90% of the strats protoss players do now a day are boring as shit to watch.

It's pretty cool that Stardust is actually trying his best to speak in English though. Sucks because still 1/2 the stuff he says I can't really understand but hopefully he just keeps getting better at it. Reminds me of Polt in a way.
 

Zaphid

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I always watch Hero's stream for some eye bleach. I actually remember Grubby toying around with double forge in WoL for some time, it's surprisingly effective since the zerg has to counter the push with the right units, not with superior upgrades and just "whatever". So yeah, just like last DH the meta was 0/0 with superior tech from protoss, now the meta shifted to the other side.
 

Tenks

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IdrA is streaming Terran and he's floating 1.2k minerals at 11 minutes

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Oh god every Tuesday IdrA will get coached on stream by a pro gamer Terran. Count me in.
 

Zaphid

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Think of it this way: It's worth tuning in to GSL only for the break music

TB dropping some info:http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/co...ason_2/calbepcBasically WCS was shoved down MLG's throat and made them lose a lot of money. It's also interesting how the scene is split between the best players - KR and most viewers - EU, with tournaments running in US prime time having shitty viewership.
 

Tenks

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I think WCS NA would get good viewers if the content was as good as the WCS EU counterpart. But the tournament was just so sterile it wasn't fun to watch. I was literally tuning in and seeing two lifeless casters casing two average players in a bland setting. NASL season 2 actually was pretty good, consumable content. I feel like making the NASL season X concept into simply WCS season X makes a ton more sense. Why Blizzard has such a hard-on for MLG to produce the content is beyond me. MLG is pretty well known to fuck things up on a rather consistent basis but they have amazing ambition and scope for their tournaments.
 

Tenks

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I don't know if the latest balance proposal was discussed or not:

Protoss
Warp Prism
Movement speed increased from 2.5 to 2.953 (previously 2.5 to 3.375.)
Acceleration increased from 2.125 to 2.625 (previously 2.125 to 3.25.)
The Gravitic Drive upgrade has returned to the Robotics Bay and will increase movement speed to 3.375 and acceleration to 3.25 when researched.

Terran
Banshee
Cloaking Field research cost decreased from 200/200 to 100/100.
Cloaking Field research time decreased from 110 seconds to 90.

Hellbat
Attack damage decreased from 18 +12 vs. light to 18.
The Infernal Pre-Igniter upgrade increases attack damage from 18 to 18 +12 vs. light.
I must have just plain missed the discussions on reddit/tl because I can't see anyone talking about the banshee changes. Overall it seems pretty OK. You can deal with cloak banshee much easier in the early game than you can with mineral line rape hellbats. Still not sure if Protoss needs a buff.
 

Zaphid

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They very well may not, but as long as allins remain strong, they will look broken, so you need to make harass strats look more attractive, watching Stardust at DH was sometimes pretty ugly. I'm not sure the cloak buff was needed, but I don't think I ever saw cloaked banshees in HotS. Hellbat nerf is good I think.

http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Stardust_6k viewers, That's almost better than Grubby, let's see if it lasts
 

Tenks

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Cloaked banshees are only used in TvT at the moment and it isn't really a "go to" build more of a "didn't expect that did you?" build. It isn't a popular build but isn't a non-existant build either. The issue in TvP is that now Toss basically has to knowingly avoid detection anymore. Fast upgrades are vogue behind MSC so they will almost always have a forge to make cannons. If they go harass stargate they can make an oracle. If they go robo they will obviously have an obs. Really the only build it could do anything against is a fast DT w/o Robo drop. In TvZ since they can make spore crawlers off the spawning pool now and you ALWAYS get 3-4 queens there is zero reason to make banshees in that matchup at the moment.

And Stardust's viewers won't last. He is just a run of the mill Korean Protoss stream. I'm honestly shocked everyone thought he came from no where. He has been a really solid Toss for a while now and constantly streams. But he won't be able to interact with the audience like idra/grubby to keep up those really high numbers. So once the post-DH hangover wears off he'll go down to his usual viewers.
 

Zaphid

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Wouldn't cloak banshee by the perfect answer to blink allins or is it too slow/not enough damage compared to tanks ?

Yeah, he does literally 0 harass, he's like poor man's MC without the craziness. Back to watching Hero I guess.