Starfield - Fallout fallout that isn't ES6

This game's menus need a lot of work.

Gameplay is generally good and shooting is fun enough. But the gameworld drags on as lots of it simply isn't interesting. Very few points of interest have any real payoff or even breadcrumb. Since they went the route of loot generation with minimal, if any, static drops there isn't any cool treasure chest of unique items around the corner. Unless you randomly find one. Outposts are a cool idea but like was said in here. All of the outpost stuff only makes it better and easier to make more outposts. None of which you need for the base game.

Like I stumble upon an abandoned robot factory. Okay cool. But its just full of pirates and nothing else remotely interesting. I did find some strong modded weapons though I guess. No cache of ship mats or anything like that. I think research and armor/weapon modding is cool and should be expanded upon. There being so many types of ammo is SUPER annoying.

I became a reporter for CNN and a debt collector. Stumbled upon the underworld and some "art dealers." Plenty of cool points. The quicktravel system makes it hard to find the cool sidequests though unless you play how they want even though they don't tell you they want to play that way.

Qhue said:

How do you get raw materials?

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That's the part that sucks. I have a handful of outposts off-world supplying resources like copper, tungsten, lubricant etc, and I can link them to my Cargo Link, get a shipment of hundreds of those and am set for the rest of the game with them. But then there are ~60 other resources to worry about. I don't know which are worth spending an hour building a new outpost for (or multiple hours in the case of organic stuff...), so instead I just buy all the raw materials at stores then manually stuff all those bins.

The number of resources in the game is just too high and the depth of manufacturing is too low for there to be a huge payoff after building a build-anything factory. I find myself really just needing the raw resources when researching and already having plenty of high-end manufactured components I picked up from vendors, so the factories do fuck all.

Dr.Retarded said:

Yeah, you'd think the CF would let you, or at least it'd be a much cheaper route because they have to forge the registration yada yada, but are happy to fence the ship.

I guess the registration is required for docking at different ports and planets. Wouldn't be surprised if somebody mods something that simple in. Could basically just add a kiosk in an appropriate location that's let's you do everything.

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Would be cool if there were four basic tiers of factions:
* UC: super strict, requires ship registration, licensing / dock fees etc for landing. Has access to unique tech.
* Freestar: Less strict, requires ship registration for landing, but not licensing
* Unaffiliated: Generally lawless, does not require ship registration
* Pirate: Requires *some* kind of faction-pass to land, has access to black market

Cybsled said:

I ran across the "V'ger" random event quest. Was pretty cool. On a side note, you get extra resolution options if you're employed by Ryujin Industries and it unlocks a 3rd possible outcome that gives the highest credit reward.

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Sweet they have a V'ger quest!?

Finally went through and did all major side quests, and a ton of the minor side quests on top of beating it a few times and setting up bases, supply chains and ship building.

All in all, it's a good game but it's not great. I'd say its about an 8/10 to me where BG3 is probably a 9/10. This game is massive, and it's filled with a million things to do but in an effort to create such a massive game world, a lot of the BGS charm gets lost. It's similar to BG3 in that way - they say there are a million ways to play but in both games (Starfields general gameplay and BG3's endings) I'd prefer a tighter, more curated story/world(s). Something was lost in the effort here that would/could have pushed this to a higher tier (Elden Ring/Skyrim/Witcher 3, insert other goated games). I like Starfield and enjoyed my playthroughs, but part of me is feeling disappointment - can you imagine what this would have looked like had it released last fall as it was scheduled to? Honestly, Cyberpunk was a better game at release and I expect the xpac in a few weeks to be miles better than Starfield is currently.

This will definitely get better with age and mods, but the parts of the game that are lacking to me will be impossible to fix just by the nature of the design. I'm fearful for ES6 if they continue using their in house engines, would be a shame to not get that game in UE5, etc.

Springbok said:

can you imagine what this would have looked like had it released last fall as it was scheduled to?

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Agree on UE5. I wonder what portion of development is spent on trying to build a world-class gaming engine while Unreal Engine 5 is just pulling away from everyone while spending an order of magnitude more on their engine than is spent on most AAA games.

Chapell said:

You don't want Bethesda games on UE5.
Unless both side provide real modding tools, and Epic won't provide that just to please Bethesda and some nerds. And for free.

There is a real modding scene and by that i mean really advanced mods on Bethesda games for decades. We're not talking about some texture replacer for RE engine and other low crap mods found in UE games.
Animations, heavy scripts, huge xpac with quest and new mobs model, blabla, done for free by this scene SELL Bethesda games in the very long run. This is unique and because of that they have zero reason to share it with another company ala EPIC.

Also ID Software.

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I'd only want to see them move ES6 to UE5 if it was semi-open and modable in the Unreal Editor (Or likely a new "Creation Kit" built on the Unreal Editor). This should be totally feasible with custom plugins and a custom engine. The value in BGS is the complete game that serves as a platform for the modding base, so I think this is feasible without devaluing their able to sell games.