Survivor: Blood vs. Water

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Sean - I actually meant now that there are 2 young/strong/athletic guys on RI, send all the other athletic guys there so they can take each other out and ween out the pool, send hayden/tyson/gervais, then start sending in the girls, basically it shoulda been girls gang up and send all the strong guys one by one, then you'll just have to deal with one strong guy when he comes back from RI.

cuz look at it, you got 1 grandmother, 2 old moms, 2 of the WORST young girl challengers and a gay guy.

imo casting was horrible, it should only be wife/husbands for this format.

cuz look at it, next week we see that cierra, the worst competitor is thinking about taking out her mom, and you know... that's probably a good move, it'll solidify her alliance and show that she's gonna make a great sacrifice, and obviously her and her mom's is next anyway.

while if it a husband/wife (like candice/jon) in that position, jon would NEVER do that, he'd never sell out his wife, sleeping with one eye open for the rest of your life? where with cierra, if she betrays her mom, no big deal, her mom played the game, and she'll be proud of her little survivor daughter for "making a big move" and "playing her own game".

i mean even with a competitive couple, i don't know how that would be, like my wife and i are the power couple when we play games with other ppl. We're the couple that cannot play together cuz we'd win everything. (you know usually if you play games with a couple, there's always that dumb girl that just throws out cards or that lazy guy who can't be bothered to think) i mean if we play 4 player card games like hearts or spades or chinese poker, or whatever, she will take me out first, otherwise it's not fun.

but i don't think we'd ever take each other out, that is effectively reducing your chances to by 50%, and hell if you're in the final 3(with the both of you), that's even more cash for 2nd place as well. cuz when you're playing as a couple, your effectively always playing as 1, any other type of relationship, they can fuck the other over and get over it with time.
 
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Yeah, but the girls clearly aren't doing an all-girl alliance thing. There is no "Girl Power" what so ever this season and something like that was just never going to happen.
 
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Weird season. No one I super-enjoy, and no one I despise (since Colton is gone). Might be the first time in a while I watched most of a season without caring about who goes or stays.

At this moment, who do you guys think is in the best position? Tyson seems to be mostly running the show, but that isn't good when it comes time to cull your own herd and the butthurt jury is formed. Hayden? He's playing smart and under the radar but may not last when it finally comes time to "get rid of the physical threats". Whatcha all think?
 
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Superficially, Hayden and Tyson look to be in good positions. I think we'll be able to tell better next episode.
 
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lanx_sl said:
Sean - I actually meant now that there are 2 young/strong/athletic guys on RI, send all the other athletic guys there so they can take each other out and ween out the pool, send hayden/tyson/gervais, then start sending in the girls, basically it shoulda been girls gang up and send all the strong guys one by one, then you'll just have to deal with one strong guy when he comes back from RI.

cuz look at it, you got 1 grandmother, 2 old moms, 2 of the WORST young girl challengers and a gay guy.

imo casting was horrible, it should only be wife/husbands for this format.

cuz look at it, next week we see that cierra, the worst competitor is thinking about taking out her mom, and you know... that's probably a good move, it'll solidify her alliance and show that she's gonna make a great sacrifice, and obviously her and her mom's is next anyway.

while if it a husband/wife (like candice/jon) in that position, jon would NEVER do that, he'd never sell out his wife, sleeping with one eye open for the rest of your life? where with cierra, if she betrays her mom, no big deal, her mom played the game, and she'll be proud of her little survivor daughter for "making a big move" and "playing her own game".

i mean even with a competitive couple, i don't know how that would be, like my wife and i are the power couple when we play games with other ppl. We're the couple that cannot play together cuz we'd win everything. (you know usually if you play games with a couple, there's always that dumb girl that just throws out cards or that lazy guy who can't be bothered to think) i mean if we play 4 player card games like hearts or spades or chinese poker, or whatever, she will take me out first, otherwise it's not fun.

but i don't think we'd ever take each other out, that is effectively reducing your chances to by 50%, and hell if you're in the final 3(with the both of you), that's even more cash for 2nd place as well. cuz when you're playing as a couple, your effectively always playing as 1, any other type of relationship, they can fuck the other over and get over it with time.
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The guys don't have to worry about getting beat by each other in challenges if they trust each other. It is the theory of, if one wins, they all win. Take out the power alliance (Vytas, Aras, Tina, Katie) and social players (Monica, Laura, Cierra), and by doing so, shore up confidence in your bro-alliance. Scrambling makes no sense.

Cierra, sure she is worthless in challenges (plenty of show winners have been), but she has a pretty strong social game. I think her taking her Mom out is a pretty strong move and one that could even win her favor with the jury if she were to survive to the end. Also, I don't think Husband/Wife combos guarantee you pairings to the bitter end either. You would have some smart enough to realize one of the partners was an anchor bring the two of them down, they would go off in the woods together talk it out, then one would "blindside" the other when it became necessary.

The thing about Survivor is that some people, even though they are technically in the game, for all intents and purposes have 0% chance of winning. The theory of "we must both stay in, because that represents 50% chance for us to win" just does not hold water. Tina and Katie are a good example... Tina came in to the game with a 0% chance of winning, but Katie on the other hand had to be positioned as the teams derby winner. Everything Tina did in the game, should have been to put Katie in the best position to advance to the end. She did that, for the most part.
 
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but i'd like to see a backstab of a wife/husband over a mother/daughter. in the end you'll always be a mother/daughter but you can divorce the significant other.

gervaise and his niece? sure backstab right away

silly b/f g/f relationships like hayden and dumb kat? there's no ring on it to tie you down yet.

the gays who are engaged? not yet legal

you can walk away from a bf/gf or even engaged relationship rather unscathed and easily, maybe a few lost possessions.

you'll always be a mother/daughter someone, suched on someone's teet, that bond is never gonna break.

but a husband wife? they gotta hire lawyers.

i mean look at tina and katie now, once they got together, katie was just tina's extra vote in her pocket and just followed her around like a puppy.
 
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You are putting way too much blind importance on the relationship and ignoring the fact that people are going to be able to make the best decision for "them" in the circumstance. Even if that means serving one of them up as a sacrificial lamb.

I (think) you are arguing that the nature of their relationship pre-determines what decisions they will make. I am arguing that the only thing coming in to the game with a loved gives is implicit trust. Implicit trust does not mean that voting out your loved one is not the best move for both of you.
 
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Just watched the episode tonight. I have to hand it to Monica for powering through the gross food eating. That does not fit with the spoiled rich dude's wife stereotype I had for her.

I think Tyson is looking like the winner if he makes it to the end. Everyone in his alliance should be planning his blindside because they don't want to be sitting next to him at the end. Since he has an idol no one knows about it still might not work but they have to try or they are just stupid. For all his dickish confessionals I think he is being careful not to piss anyone off in the game and thus far I don't think he has any serious haters on the jury.

Somebody should make a move next week while there are still some people who are looking for any straw to grab. I don't know if anyone has it in them though. Hayden and Caleb seem content to just ride the coat tails of Tyson and Gervaise and do what they are told. I had high hopes for Caleb after his super ballsy move on Culpepper but I don't think he has even spoken a word since then.

I think Gervaise and Sierra both think they have to stick with Tyson which is a mistake I think. The two of them teaming up and collecting Monica, Sierra's mom, and the remaining blonde chick and they could rule the world. Sierra taking her Mom out might win her some points with Tyson, but unless she takes Tyson out she won't win anyway. If she took out Tyson and left Hayden and Caleb on the outs I think she's in the driver's seat.

Monica will probably try to make a move but nobody is going to follow her because she is too flakey.
 
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I saw zero logic in Ciera's bizarre lust to vote off her mother. Am I taking crazy pills? Doesn't logic dictate that *both* in the couple must be voted out so that one of them can't make it to the end and have an automatic jury vote? It kind of made me sad to see how Laura was willing to twist it in her mind and convince herself that, "aww I'm so proud, it just means my little baby is a strong woman now." No, it means your daughter is a delusional selfish weirdo that offered you up in a heartbeat because she thinks these people are her island-besties that she has "deep connections with".

I suppose if they were all just hell bent on getting rid of her mom then she had no choice anyways, but goddamn, the way she just kept on with the "hey, fuck my mom! let's vote her ass off here, I have no problem with it at all!" was just creepy to me.
 
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I didn't think it was that crazy. From Tyson's comments at tribal, it sounded like the pairings were a huge issue that everyone was talking about through the first part of the game. Being the only pair still in the game is a much larger target than those stupid clues that everyone was burning. Makes sense to cut ties when you can.
 
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I see what you are saying, but the time for cutting ties was before people began being added to the jury. I dunno, man, we'll see how it plays out. More power to Ciera if she proves me wrong.
 
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I think that she was right that her Mom had no chance of making the end. The only way that she would is if Cierra had made a big move and tried to turn Gervase and Monica to blindside Tyson. That would have been an awesome move but extremely risky. If she didn't think that was possible, then her trying to save her Mom just put a target on her back. You heard Tyson's reaction when she even brought it up.

Since the preview was nothing but talk about blindsiding Tyson we can be assured that he will not be going home next week.
 
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ciera is the worst competition competitor ever, but she made the strongest hardest play by saying it's ok to out her mom. What is doing holding onto a low pair? that's really what she has with her mom a low pair in poker, if she get's rid of that pair then she'd have a better chance at a straight, since like she can be taken to the end. i'm still sticking with my ciera vote, cuz everyone else is just a horrible person to side with.
hayden is being hayden from BB12, he's boring as shit and follows direction like a puppy dog (but that same exact play got him BB12 win)

caleb has been castrated since his one big move and switch up/merge

katie i guess she's doing something? just seems like she's getting help from RI cuz those two losers (vytas/her mom) have no one else to root for.

monica eh, i hate this shit that they allow "OMG, i won't eat can everyone else eat instead and i'll starve?" no, that's the reason why they stack a food reward + immunity challenge together, so that even if you win immunity, there's gonna be a consequence, jeff let her off the hook cuz he still loves brad i guess, plus monica is just so boring

laura eh just as boring and pretty sad that she is so dumb, that her teenage daughter is smarter than her, go voltron them together and you might have a survivor contender

tyson ugh i hate watching his scenes, it's like they force us to watch tyson trying to be smart

gervais boring, only good to watch for worm eating nostalgia
 
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I did enjoy cierra playing Katie about the Idol. I don't have much faith in Katie but she folded fast.
 
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BrutulTM_sl said:
Since the preview was nothing but talk about blindsiding Tyson we can be assured that he will not be going home next week.
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Yup, I said the exact same thing last night. When they make it that obvious, you know it won't happen. Either he catches on that it is happening and plays his Immunity Idol, or nothing comes of it and it is just hype for next week.
 
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I hope he catches on and plays the idol. Those are always the best tribals.
 
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Hmm I wouldn't have as much of a problem with the endurance comps that favor women if they'd also do more strength challenges... But they only seem to have one of those only once in a great while
 
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even strength challenges are slighted, like they do a variation where you old weight = % of your body weight on a rope, thin fit girl would still win. that last challenge monica won, all the previous winners were women.
 
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Why the fuck didn't they try and flip Monica tonight? I think they could have easily done it. Oh well Tyson was a dumbass using immunity idol. He really showed his deck to everyone. That was a make or break moment, imho.
 
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I was worried for my girl Cierra tonight. Still not sure she made the right choice going with Gervase and Tyson. I think taking out Tyson and going to the end with lesser players would have been a better move for her.

Monica continues to be impressive in the immunity challenges. It never ceases to amaze me that people always sit out of the immunity challenges for a food bribe. I can't imagine doing that.
 
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