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Real in this case was he liked a hologram girl. She didnt see herself as any less real then humans even though she was a replicant, which was a theme of the movie
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Real in this case was he liked a hologram girl. She didnt see herself as any less real then humans even though she was a replicant, which was a theme of the movie
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okay, just watched a cam. terrible copy (it's a cam, so i wasn't expecting any better) so i won't be commenting on any of the visuals...
this is probably the perfect example of "if you're a hammer, all you see is nails" except for SJW wokeness. if you're looking for it, it's everywhere. if you're not, you probably won't find any of it. without going into spoilers just yet, here's a great example. grace (mackenzie davis) is seen on several occasions taking men's clothing instead of women's. you could very easily make the argument that it's a not so subtle nod to women taking over men and their position. on the other hand, she never makes a reference to her gender, or honestly anyone else's in regards to one being better than the other. there's no context for her to think she's superior because of her gender and she never puts anyone down because of their gender. there is never even the subtext of anything like that.
i saw an interview with mackenzie davis the other day and the interviewer asks her about being apart of a trio of "strong women" and she says it's nice, sure, but the movie isn't about "strong women" it's about 3 strong characters who happened to be women. when i saw it i was like yeah, that sounds nice but this is obviously a movie about 3 strong women. but after watching it, regardless of the politics and editing outside of her control, i actually believe that's what she thinks it is, and for the most part, i felt it was an accurate assessment.
now, on to spoilers
whatever, it wasn't a terrible movie. it wasn't great, either though.
TL: DR i'd say this is pretty on par with terminator salvation. it wasn't perfect... catch it on DVD if you want
this is probably the perfect example of "if you're a hammer, all you see is nails" except for SJW wokeness. if you're looking for it, it's everywhere. if you're not, you probably won't find any of it. without going into spoilers just yet, here's a great example. grace (mackenzie davis) is seen on several occasions taking men's clothing instead of women's. you could very easily make the argument that it's a not so subtle nod to women taking over men and their position. on the other hand, she never makes a reference to her gender, or honestly anyone else's in regards to one being better than the other. there's no context for her to think she's superior because of her gender and she never puts anyone down because of their gender. there is never even the subtext of anything like that.
i saw an interview with mackenzie davis the other day and the interviewer asks her about being apart of a trio of "strong women" and she says it's nice, sure, but the movie isn't about "strong women" it's about 3 strong characters who happened to be women. when i saw it i was like yeah, that sounds nice but this is obviously a movie about 3 strong women. but after watching it, regardless of the politics and editing outside of her control, i actually believe that's what she thinks it is, and for the most part, i felt it was an accurate assessment.
now, on to spoilers
sarah conner was... fine i guess. people keep saying that this movie makes her absence in the previous movies feel extra egregious because she's always been the heart of the franchise, we just didn't know it. i'd be willing to hear that argument but honestly i don't agree. arnold is, and always be the heart and backbone of the terminator series. even though he's basically a side character in this one (he doesn't even show up until after the hour mark), he has more character development in the first 5 minutes of showing up than everyone else in the entire movie combined. with sarah, we understand her motivation, and it makes sense, but she's just the same character as she was from t2. she's had no growth, and basically has no growth throughout the movie.
grace is... she's acted well and her action scenes are believable. sometimes you hire women because they are a pretty face but have no idea what to do with their bodies in an action scene and they look stiff and cludgy, like they've never actually thrown a punch in their life. mackenzie davis isn't like that, and it's worth commending her for. she moves like an action star. that being said her character isn't necessarily "likeable." i don't begrudge mackenzie davis for that at all because it was pretty clear that was the direction she was given, but she's just grumpy and aggressive and combatative the whole movie. it makes sense that her character would be like that, growing up in terminator land but there's no real foil for that. sarah acts the same way.
and dani (i don't know her real name, the mexican chick) isn't really likeable either. she's not really given anything to work with, though. she starts off as a naive damsel in distress and then once she (and the audience if they are too dumb to figure it out) finds out she's the new john conner, all of a sudden she's just a badass leader. like she's barking orders to people and the only thing i'm thinking is how and when did she learn military tactics? she doesn't even remember the word "killbox" but we're supposed to believe that these 3 hardened warriors are going to stop on a dime and change plans just because dani says, no, we make our stand here!
in all reality, she says that and all 3 of them turn and say to her, uh. no. not here. we have no plan, this is a bad idea. we have no way to kill this thing in our current position.
as far as the plot goes, there's some interesting ideas at play. there will always be a skynet, even if it's not "skynet." i like the idea of "Carl" developing his own mission once he completed his programmed mission, though it's a little silly that skynet programmed him to kill john conner, but then left everything blank once that mission was completed. i think we need to have arnie be a villian terminator again. we've all grown so accustomed to him being a good guy but i think it would be fun to have him be exactly what sarah says he is, an infiltration unit. he goes in, gains the trust of the good guys, then kills them when they are vulnerable.
grace is... she's acted well and her action scenes are believable. sometimes you hire women because they are a pretty face but have no idea what to do with their bodies in an action scene and they look stiff and cludgy, like they've never actually thrown a punch in their life. mackenzie davis isn't like that, and it's worth commending her for. she moves like an action star. that being said her character isn't necessarily "likeable." i don't begrudge mackenzie davis for that at all because it was pretty clear that was the direction she was given, but she's just grumpy and aggressive and combatative the whole movie. it makes sense that her character would be like that, growing up in terminator land but there's no real foil for that. sarah acts the same way.
and dani (i don't know her real name, the mexican chick) isn't really likeable either. she's not really given anything to work with, though. she starts off as a naive damsel in distress and then once she (and the audience if they are too dumb to figure it out) finds out she's the new john conner, all of a sudden she's just a badass leader. like she's barking orders to people and the only thing i'm thinking is how and when did she learn military tactics? she doesn't even remember the word "killbox" but we're supposed to believe that these 3 hardened warriors are going to stop on a dime and change plans just because dani says, no, we make our stand here!
in all reality, she says that and all 3 of them turn and say to her, uh. no. not here. we have no plan, this is a bad idea. we have no way to kill this thing in our current position.
as far as the plot goes, there's some interesting ideas at play. there will always be a skynet, even if it's not "skynet." i like the idea of "Carl" developing his own mission once he completed his programmed mission, though it's a little silly that skynet programmed him to kill john conner, but then left everything blank once that mission was completed. i think we need to have arnie be a villian terminator again. we've all grown so accustomed to him being a good guy but i think it would be fun to have him be exactly what sarah says he is, an infiltration unit. he goes in, gains the trust of the good guys, then kills them when they are vulnerable.
TL: DR i'd say this is pretty on par with terminator salvation. it wasn't perfect... catch it on DVD if you want
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I didn't read the spoilers, but thank you for writing that. I'm glad to read that about the not "in your face" SJW shit.
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No it's not in your face at all. And honestly there are some political plot points, they arent opined about. It's just a matter of fact statement without any kind of "of it weren't for orange bad man we could just..." If that makes sense without spoilers
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so its not in your face except for the all female leading cast and one white male working for them? all the villains arent male?
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Like I said, if you're looking for it, yes it's there. Dani is a female for a story beat, Sarah Conner is female because she's Sarah Conner and Grace's gender is absolutely irrelevant. We're not talking girl oceans 11 or girl ghostbusters where it's all about female empowerment nonsense. I'm not saying there isn't any in the movie, just that there's neither dialogue nor subtext that would support that claim
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“The future is female” would explain why the future is irrevocably fucked in spite of having time travel
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this is exactly it. i've said it before but it's like this forum is full of men with PTSD about feminism. if you WANT to read into something based on ancillary evidence, go for it. just understand you sound tinfoil-y.
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Not at all like t1 or t2. Kyle Reese saved Sarah countless times in t1 and Arnold and son saved her a few times as well and dyson who gave his life to save everyone. The future is definitely female.
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except it's not. i'll admit that the shitty cam i watched made the action scenes in the future a hard to actually tell detail, but outside of like 3 people, everyone they showed in the future was male. even good ole' billy bones shows up fighting the good fight.
and again, there isn't a single negative thing anyone says about men. in fact the only person who actively gets scolded for being close-minded is sarah conner. repeatedly. yes, the main characters are female, but so what? when you watch a movie with an all male cast, do you get upset about that too? i get upset when a movie is clearly being used as propaganda for political views, regardless of which political view that is. this movie is not propaganda. it's just not. the marketing department clearly wants to cash in on the female empowerment hype train and i absolutely understand how easy it is to get bothered by that. i'm just saying the actual movie doesn't have any of that in it. but that also doesn't mean it's great cinema, it's not.
edit: also a ton of this white men are all evil nonsense gets thrown completely out the window. the villian is latino, arnie (who like i said before has the most character progression in the entire film, by far) is a white male... this movie does diversity the exact kind of way i want diversity to be in films... the only time race or gender comes up is when it actually makes sense.
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the main reason sarah fights for dani is because she empathizes with her. she knows what it's like to be hunted by a terminator without having any idea what's going on. sarah also shows how distant she's become from being a real human by thinking that dani's only value is in giving birth to a resistance leader, which is flat out wrong. she sees herself in dani, but can't see how she'd grow into a leader, despite that exact same thing happening to herself. dani herself is pretty one-dimensional so i don't really blame sarah for not seeing it...
also there's a scene where they are in mexico and need to get to texas. dani says her uncle can get her across the border without going through legal channels since a) sarah is wanted in all 50 states, b) dani is a mexican national, and c) grace has no papers whatsoever. they meet her uncle and the guy mentions how concerned he is that 2 white people need his help to cross the border as the situation screams that they've done some pretty bad stuff.
also there's a scene where they are in mexico and need to get to texas. dani says her uncle can get her across the border without going through legal channels since a) sarah is wanted in all 50 states, b) dani is a mexican national, and c) grace has no papers whatsoever. they meet her uncle and the guy mentions how concerned he is that 2 white people need his help to cross the border as the situation screams that they've done some pretty bad stuff.
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I was under the impression that it's an all women lead cast and only males are villains. Guess I was wrong.
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