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Jupiter in IR, pretty awesome stuff.

Researchers using a technique known as “lucky imaging” with the Gemini North telescope on Hawaii’s Maunakea have collected some of the highest resolution images of Jupiter ever obtained from the ground. These images are part of a multi-year joint observing program with the Hubble Space Telescope in support of NASA’s Juno mission. The Gemini images, when combined with the Hubble and Juno observations, reveal that lightning strikes, and some of the largest storm systems that create them, are formed in and around large convective cells over deep clouds of water ice and liquid. The new observations also confirm that dark spots in the famous Great Red Spot are actually gaps in the cloud cover and not due to cloud color variations.

 
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I thought these Hubble pictures were cooler before I knew that they were mostly photoshop.
 
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I thought these Hubble pictures were cooler before I knew that they were mostly photoshop.

I used to love most shows on Space on Discovery etc, until I learned too that the vast majority of that crap is fake. Every article ever of "a newly discovered planet orbiting a distant star" shows an "artistic rendering" that is gorgeous but pulled straight out of someone's behind. We didn't even know what Pluto actually looked like until 2015 when New Horizons flew past.
 
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I certainly don't have the intelligence to say if that's complete bullshit or a real possibility, but it is certainly a very interesting perspective. The biggest "regret" I have in life is that I will never know the secrets of the cosmos and get to traverse it in any meaningful way (by which I mean hopping from galaxy to galaxy and returning without everyone I know being dead for millennia, and other physical impossibilities). I've always said that if there is an afterlife, the first place I'm going is the library so that I can find out how all the things work. Then I'm going to visit all the places in the universe.

Or I'm going to put another quarter in and try again, because I'm pretty sure I'm getting a terrible score this game :(
 
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(From Rocket Report)

Emerging scandal with Deep Space Rocket. LEGO recently released a "Deep Space Rocket and Launch Control" set for $99.99. However, an alarming analysis by Some Guy's Blog reveals that if realized in real life this modular, multi-stage rocket cannot in fact reach deep space. It finds that the delta-v of the launch system is 4.25 km/s, not high enough for even LEO.

When LEGO fails to reach LEO ... "This raises troubling questions for LEGO City leadership. Why does the set include a rover and a grappling arm, if it will never reach the moon? What’s the satellite used for if it doesn’t have the delta-v to reach even low-earth orbit? LEGO, we need answers!" In fact, we demand them. (submitted by Backwards Traveller)
 
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I certainly don't have the intelligence to say if that's complete bullshit or a real possibility, but it is certainly a very interesting perspective.
One of the biggest problems is that almost every prediction of relativity based on the black-hole model seem to be vindicated.

So, the "dark energy" model of black hole needs to basically provide exactly the same effect as the singularity models up to the event horizon... and then change gears suddenly because. "relativity is true everywhere, except at this point." Which requires a very convoluted model.

Basically, you end up with epicycles. You can describe celestial mechanics as a set of interlocked circles (epicycles) of varied sizes... or as a result of a simple force with an inverse square of the distance. The epicycle could be true... but the Newtonian gravitation model is probably closer to the reality than your complex gears.
 
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Virgin Orbit launching it's first test from the wing of a 747 to orbit this weekend.

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Virgin Orbit launching it's first test from the wing of a 747 to orbit this weekend.

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This is pretty cool. As a layman I always thought it made sense to make a ridiculously oversized plane that could yeet a rocket into low earth orbit. Musk isn't' the authority on all things aeronautical but even after reading his comments I'm curious as to why you can't make a plane big enough to launch a Falcon 9 rocket.
*Question about horizontal air launches.* That's a tricky one. Well, I think it's important to keep in mind that the payload to orbit advantage from an air launch is negligible. I think this audience understands that, but most people don't, because it seems like, well, you're high up there and so surely that's good and you're going at, say, 0.7 or 0.8 Mach and you've got some speed and altitude, you can use a higher expansion ratio on the nozzle, doesn't all that add up to a meaningful improvement in payload to orbit?
The answer is no, it does not, unfortunately. It's quite a small improvement. It's maybe a 5% improvement in payload to orbit, something like that, and then you've got this humungous plane to deal with. Which is just like have a stage. From SpaceX's standpoint, would it make more sense to have a gigantic plane or to increase the size of the first stage by five percent? Uhh, I'll take option two. And then, once you get beyond a certain scale, you just can't make the plane big enough.
When you drop the vehicle, the rocket, you have the slight problem that you're not going the right direction. If you look at what Orbital Sciences did with Pegasus, they have a delta wing to do the turn maneuver but then you've got this big wing that's added a bunch of mass and you've able to mostly, but not entirely, convert your horizontal velocity into vertical velocity, or mostly vertical velocity, and the net is really not great. So, Orbital, for example, is an interesting example. They started off with the Pegasus as an air launch vehicle and then ultimately did not do any air launch vehicles.
 
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Billionaires sending rockets into space during a global economic collapse seems kind of gauche. The "wow" factor turns into the "um, really? Now?" factor.
 
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Billionaires sending rockets into space during a global economic collapse seems kind of gauche. The "wow" factor turns into the "um, really? Now?" factor.

I hear you. But I for one am glad there is some good/exciting news happening in something I care about.
 
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Billionaires sending rockets into space during a global economic collapse seems kind of gauche. The "wow" factor turns into the "um, really? Now?" factor.

6 trillion given to Elon right now would do more for humanity than all the 6 trillion and decades of entitlements.
 
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