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Is this ET? Mystery of strange radio bursts from space - space - 31 March 2015 - New Scientist

BURSTS of radio waves flashing across the sky seem to follow a mathematical pattern. If the pattern is real, either some strange celestial physics is going on, or the bursts are artificial, produced by human - or alien - technology.

Telescopes have been picking up so-called fast radio bursts (FRBs) since 2001. They last just a few milliseconds and erupt with about as much energy as the sun releases in a month. Ten have been detected so far, most recently in 2014, when the Parkes Telescope in New South Wales, Australia, caught a burst in action for the first time. The others were found by sifting through data after the bursts had arrived at Earth. No one knows what causes them, but the brevity of the bursts means their source has to be small - hundreds of kilometres across at most - so they can't be from ordinary stars. And they seem to come from far outside the galaxy.

The weird part is that they all fit a pattern that doesn't match what we know about cosmic physics.[

To calculate how far the bursts have come, astronomers use a concept called the dispersion measure. Each burst covers a range of radio frequencies, as if the whole FM band were playing the same song. But electrons in space scatter and delay the radiation, so that higher frequency waves make it across space faster than lower frequency waves. The more space the signal crosses, the bigger the difference, or dispersion measure, between the arrival time of high and low frequencies - and the further the signal has travelled.

Michael Hippke of the Institute for Data Analysis in Neukirchen-Vluyn, Germany, and John Learned at the University of Hawaii in Manoa found that all 10 bursts' dispersion measures are multiples of a single number: 187.5 (see chart). This neat line-up, if taken at face value, would imply five sources for the bursts all at regularly spaced distances from Earth, billions of light-years away. A more likely explanation, Hippke and Lerned say, is that the FRBs all come from somewhere much closer to home, from a group of objects within the Milky Way that naturally emit shorter-frequency radio waves after higher-frequency ones, with a delay that is a multiple of 187.5 (arxiv.org/abs/1503.05245).

They claim there is a 5 in 10,000 probability that the line-up is coincidence. "If the pattern is real," says Learned, "it is very, very hard to explain."

Cosmic objects might, by some natural but unknown process, produce dispersions in regular steps. Small, dense remnant stars called pulsars are known to emit bursts of radio waves, though not in regular arrangements or with as much power as FRBs. But maybe superdense stars are mathematical oddities because of underlying physics we don't understand.

It's also possible that the telescopes are picking up evidence of human technology, like an unmapped spy satellite, masquerading as signals from deep space.

The most tantalising possibility is that the source of the bursts might be a who, not a what. If none of the natural explanations pan out, their paper concludes, "An artificial source (human or non-human) must be considered."

"Beacon from extraterrestrials" has always been on the list of weird possible origins for these bursts. "These have been intriguing as an engineered signal, or evidence of extraterrestrial technology, since the first was discovered," says Jill Tarter, former director of the SETI Institute in California. "I'm intrigued. Stay tuned."

Astronomers have long speculated that a mathematically clever message - broadcasts encoded with pi, or flashes that count out prime numbers, as sent by aliens in the film Contact - could give away aliens' existence. Perhaps extraterrestrial civilisations are flagging us down with basic multiplication.

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But a fast radio burst is definitely not the easiest message aliens could send. As Maura McLaughlin of West Virginia University, who was part of the first FRB discovery points out, it takes a lot of energy to make a signal that spreads across lots of frequencies, instead of just a narrow one like a radio station. And if the bursts come from outside the galaxy, they would have to be incredibly energetic to get this far.

If the bursts actually come from inside the Milky Way, they need not be so energetic (just like a nearby flashlight can light up the ground but a distant light does not). Either way, though, it would require a lot of power. In fact, the aliens would have to be from what SETI scientists call a Kardashev Type II civilisation (see "Keeping up with the Kardashevs").

But maybe there's no pattern at all, let alone one that aliens embedded. There are only 10 bursts, and they fit into just five groups. "It's very easy to find patterns when you have small-number statistics," says McLaughlin. "On the other hand, I don't think you can argue with the statistics, so it is odd."
 

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There's a lot of shit that needs to be eliminated before we even start to seriously consider aliens. Either way, these signals is intriguingly weird. It's more likely that this will fit into helping explain other observable phenomenon.
 

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Dark matter map is up.

Guy thinks he is going to disprove relativity...
 

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All the articles I read said this was direct observation of dark matter, which is a laughable claim. Reading the actual paper released by the group said it was an indirect observation. Here's a link if u interested:http://deswl.github.io/page1/vikram_paper/kappa_des.pdf

Essentially, this is just a refined measurement of the lensing effects we already observed. Not really sure what he wants to prove or disprove with it, or how he'd make the claim that this would disprove relativity. We already know what is being done in this effort, he's just mapping it out in a much more complete way rather than demonstrating it only in certain areas of the sky.
 

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Curiosity Rover Finds Evidence Of Liquid Water On Mars | IFLScience

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Aaron

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It's amazing how far we've come since the original Cosmos series was done, when you think about it. These Martian rovers that have been sent out over the past, what is it now? ~15 years? They are absolutely amazing and worth every penny.
 

Szlia

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Wat? Are they trying to land a rocket vertically? That sounds extraordinarily stupid, especially if the propelling is done under the center of gravity.
 

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Wat? Are they trying to land a rocket vertically? That sounds extraordinarily stupid, especially if the propelling is done under the center of gravity.
Yea they want to land the first stage to re-use it.
 

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There just has to be a better solution than that.

Isn't the idea to be able to do this reliably and repetitiously?

I mean it is literally rocket science. But a slowed, controlled descent into a big old dunking lake and big ass crane would seem to be pretty reliable.
 

Lithose

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From what I understand, parachutes didn't work, the speed coming down was too fast given the mass. Water would also make it so the rocket couldn't be reused. With the controlled reentry like this, they don't have to alter the rocket at all, except for the small fins and the legs to land. Unlike say, wings which would be needed for a shuttle type landing. If they can make this work, they can reuse the 50+ Million dollar rocket, at a cost of 25% cargo capacity. It's a really good trade off, given this type of landing requires very little extra weight and really no other damage to the rocket with water, or anything.

But that's just what I read--not a rocket scientist :p
 

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Furry isn't a quantum physicist but that doesn't stop him from lecturing physicists on quantum mechanics. Maybe he can fill us in on how SpaceX should really be doing this?
 

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Furry isn't a quantum physicist but that doesn't stop him from lecturing physicists on quantum mechanics. Maybe he can fill us in on how SpaceX should really be doing this?
Furry: since the descent of the rocket was modelled with negative numbers, it clearly cannot descent. This rocket doesnt exist.
 

Malakriss

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But what if he's wrong and it's really positive numbers that don't exist? Hence "some of us are more negative than others" makes perfect sense.