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Even if the spaceship can only accelerate at .01g, it could get to Alpha Centauri in 40 years (compared to 1000+ years at current rocket technology speeds). At .1g it could get there in 12 years and would reach 80% of the speed of light. At 1/2 g it would reach 88% of the speed of light and get there in 5.3 years of ship time.

Come on Emdrive... be real!
 

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Even if the spaceship can only accelerate at .01g, it could get to Alpha Centauri in 40 years (compared to 1000+ years at current rocket technology speeds). At .1g it could get there in 12 years and would reach 80% of the speed of light. At 1/2 g it would reach 88% of the speed of light and get there in 5.3 years of ship time.

Come on Emdrive... be real!
Are you taking into account that you can only accelerate for half the trip then you have to slow for the other half, shenanigans with gravity wells like slingshots and braking notwithstanding?
 

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Are you taking into account that you can only accelerate for half the trip then you have to slow for the other half, shenanigans with gravity wells like slingshots and braking notwithstanding?
yea the calculator I'm using brakes down to original velocity for the 2nd half of the journey.
 

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What's funny is the artist's renderings of the designs feature rings around the central aircraft ex:
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From what I heard, the intent of the two rings is to provide a way for EMDrives to rotate a dynamo which generates more power than it consumes. If one assumed that was correct, then designed a ship for atmospheric travel, where you housed the rings in a protective case and minimized the drag, you'd well... you'd get

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What's funny is the artist's renderings of the designs feature rings around the central aircraft ex:
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From what I heard, the intent of the two rings is to provide a way for EMDrives to rotate a dynamo which generates more power than it consumes. If one assumed that was correct, then designed a ship for atmospheric travel, where you housed the rings in a protective case and minimized the drag, you'd well... you'd get

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They claimed that it may produce light accelerated past the speed of light. Relativity claims this is impossible- indeed, relativity itself is the mathematical construct of how the physical rules of the universe can stay the same for all non-rotating frames of reference within that frame, while mainting a maximum speed of light that is fixed for all frames. It's a hard concept to explain without you having a strong understanding of the history of the various forms of relativity- which date back to greek times. Speeds faster than the speed of light essentially break the entire mathematical basis for relativity. Either way, it's an interesting read, especially if you are in to science history.

I have no opinion on that claim myself. I will wait until further data and testing is done.
 

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They claimed that it may produce light accelerated past the speed of light. Relativity claims this is impossible- indeed, relativity itself is the mathematical construct of how the physical rules of the universe can stay the same for all non-rotating frames of reference within that frame, while mainting a maximum speed of light that is fixed for all frames. It's a hard concept to explain without you having a strong understanding of the history of the various forms of relativity- which date back to greek times. Speeds faster than the speed of light essentially break the entire mathematical basis for relativity. Either way, it's an interesting read, especially if you are in to science history.

I have no opinion on that claim myself. I will wait until further data and testing is done.
I missed the part where they think they produced light that is FTL. I get relativity. There have been tests to confirm the predicted time dilation effects of relativity. GPS accuracy relies on relativity. If NASA does create a device for FTL travel, it may not necessarily disprove relativity but reveal that Einstein's relativity is conditional or incomplete.
 

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People much smarter than me have stated that FTL itself doesn't necessarily break the math, it's the accelerationthroughthe speed of light that breaks all the maths. So if you could somehow just blink something into an FTL speed, you'd be okay.

I definitely can't do math of that caliber so I dunno. FTL would be fucking groundbreaking though.
 

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It does seem like being able to achieve a speed without acceleration should probably break reality.

That's way too deep for me. And I'm not afraid to delve deep into my own ignorance. I will crawl up my own asshole just to see what's up there. But that one, that's just way too deep a pull.
 

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I wonder if this is reacting with the earth's magnetic field in some way or gravity.

I was under the impression that faster than light travel was possible and didn't break relativity because warp or worm hole type theories were more short cuts than actually traveling faster than light.
 

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I suppose photons achieve c without acceleration. They just pop into existence at c through some deep web mechanism. So I guess maybe it's not too scary to think that there could be forces which just happen at speeds even greater than c.

But furry might be right. It might contextualize the hell out of relativity if that's what they've discovered. Seems like it would turn it into a "in the case of:" theory where right now it is a "In all cases except:" theory
 

iannis

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It'll be fun if it's not some sort of local effect or instrument error.

The last 100 years of cosmology will basically be entirely wrong.

lol. Suck it, NDT. We'll make pluto a planet again because fuck you that's why.
 

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People much smarter than me have stated that FTL itself doesn't necessarily break the math, it's the accelerationthroughthe speed of light that breaks all the maths. So if you could somehow just blink something into an FTL speed, you'd be okay.

I definitely can't do math of that caliber so I dunno. FTL would be fucking groundbreaking though.
Aulcubierre (warp) drives explicitly side-step relativity - they move space around themselves rather than accelerating through space sotechnicallytheir velocity is zero, and the claim on EMDrives re: FTL is that they're creating (weak and small) warp bubbles.


E: I can't believe we're talking about warp drives outside of a Star Trek thread.
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On a side note, I would think that reaching 80% of the speed of light is just the easy part. The hard part is not getting atomized when the spaceship hits a speck of dust.