The Astronomy Thread

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Fuck Tuco, those forums are amazing.

Aliens are here bros, centauro events etc.

Also, pretty sure I had a minor stroke trying To read the em drive thread.
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I made the mistake of clicking on the section about jobs and education. Since I have an aeronautical engineering degree that I have never utilized for more than making my parents question where they went wrong, it gave me the sads
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It's hard for me to differentiate the content between that forum and:
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or even:
The Flat Earth Society - Index

You have guys who are real experts in their field throwing around terms you are 4 years of education away from really understanding. There's no way to tell if they're bullshitting or not, but it's still interesting.
 
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Man that thread hurt my brainparts.

But what I got is that the first wave of official-official peer review is due by october, and that there is a lab which has made a bigger specialer version they plan to test drive in july.
 
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The reddit forum screams bullshit, but honestly I have no clue. Half of the posts are then talking about cranking down. Lol

While the flat earth thing... Dear God... I can't even begin to describe that one.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11211.0#.VYr0398o7qA

Lol, the effort is admirable.
 
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The reddit forum is a clever joke forum. There's even a post on the first page, "This sub is nothing but people spouting nonsense. Do you guys think you're funny?"

Maybe maybe not, but I do.
 
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LachiusTZ_sl said:
The reddit forum screams bullshit, but honestly I have no clue. Half of the posts are then talking about cranking down. Lol

While the flat earth thing... Dear God... I can't even begin to describe that one.

Flat Earth FAQ - Please Read!

Lol, the effort is admirable.
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The funny part about the flat earth society is that you have a real mixture of professional aeronautical engineers and physicists who are trolling and Lumie-type retards and conspiracy theorists who are repeating arguments from the professional trolls.
 
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as LOL as flat-earthers are, if you think about it, it's really just how anyone would experience reality if the Bostrom/Boltzmann simulation argument is correct.

If you were living in a simulation, there's no reason to "render" the world as a globe unless you were in orbit. The astronomical constants would all be "rendered" locally on each client so the mathematical conditions that convinced Pythagoras could be simulated for you if you decided to run an experiment.

Long beforeNick Bostrom(and even before Drake and Fermi) there was the Anthropic Principle folks who noticed that the universal constants were suspiciously perfectly aligned for human consciousness. Before THEM there was the Boltzmann Brain paradox from the 1800s that essentially poses similar questions about the anthropocentric conditions--IE: that our existence is such a violation of entropy that we must be a fluctuation in a brain that's designed to produce exactly these conditions.

Of course Boltzmann didn't have Turing's computers at the time or he would've just called it the matrix like normal ppl.
 
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I dunno.

1) Define axioms to be comprehensible and constructive
2) ???
3) Marvel that axioms are comprehensible and constructive.

But that is why stuff like flat earth lives on and is worth being passingly familiar with. There are philosophical questions there that may or may not have answers, but just in asking them you do learn something valuable.

Edit: It reminds me of a chemistry teacher that I had in the way-back. He would marvel that water exists. "Without water, there would be no life! Chemistry is life!" Well, I mean he had/has a point, and his infectious excitement was good to teach sullen tweeners about chemistry. But if there was no water we wouldn't be around to wonder why there wasn't such a thing as water. When you get right down to it the argument is, "Things are the way they are. Woah."

Which it is worth going "Woah" every now and then. For damn sure.
 
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If there was no water we'd all be on a different planet wondering what life would be like without ammonia.
 
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LachiusTZ_sl said:
The reddit forum screams bullshit, but honestly I have no clue. Half of the posts are then talking about cranking down. Lol

While the flat earth thing... Dear God... I can't even begin to describe that one.

Flat Earth FAQ - Please Read!

Lol, the effort is admirable.
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What the fuck? Skipping all the other crazy shit on that single page, according to this picture,
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the theory is that there is actually a huge ice wall that holds the oceans in, and no one has ever gone beyond it? This means Antarctica (the ice wall) is thousands upon thousands of miles long. Now, I realize that typically flights go over the north pole, but some flights do go over the south pole (or close enough). Shouldn't one of these avid flat-earthers want to actually see this mighty ice wall and attempt to fly from the tip of South America to Australia or something? Seems like that would be a pretty quick way to disprove that entire picture, minus believing stupid shit like that the "man" is using holograms, hallucinogens, etc. to hide it.

EDIT: P.S. Fuck you guys for linking that forum, my jimmies are super rustled now! But I can't stop reading!
 
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Vvoid_sl said:
Shouldn't one of these avid flat-earthers want to actually see this mighty ice wall and attempt to fly from the tip of South America to Australia or something? Seems like that would be a pretty quick way to disprove that entire picture, minus believing stupid shit like that the "man" is using holograms, hallucinogens, etc. to hide it.
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What? And be forced to break their belief?
 
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That's almost as ridiculous as Amish from Ohio getting on a plane and taking a missionary trip to the Philippines who then come back with the measles causing a massive outbreak and the whole community decides to get vaccinated.
 
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When i link a website as an example of a community using technical jargon to knowingly sell bullshit my intent wasnt for folks to announce it is bullshit, lol.

For the most part it is a huge trolljob. For some people it is a conspiracy that is too big to fail.
 
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Vvoid_sl said:
...Shouldn't one of these avid flat-earthers want to actually see this mighty ice wall and attempt to fly from the tip of South America to Australia or something? Seems like that would be a pretty quick way to disprove that entire picture, minus believing stupid shit like that the "man" is using holograms, hallucinogens, etc. to hide it.
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That kind of came up in an interview with the president of the society

Inevitably, Shenton's argument forces him down all kinds of logical blind alleys - the non-existence of gravity, and his argument that most space exploration, and so the moon landings, are faked. But, while many flat Earthers have problems with the idea of orbiting satellites, Shenton navigates the London streets using GPS. He was also happy to fly from the US to Britain, but says an aircraft that flew over the Antarctic barrier would drop from the sky, and from the planet.
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It also answers how he came to these beliefs. Make up your own mind if he's having people on.

Shenton himself used to accept that the Earth was round, but began asking questions after hearing musician Thomas Dolby's 1984 album The Flat Earth. (When Shenton reconvened the society last year, Dolby accepted membership number 00001.)
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The Earth is flat? What planet is he on?
 
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Yeah I realized after reading more of it that a large percentage are just people trolling. But still, the thought that even some of the people actually believe this shit drives me nuts. I deal with two massive conspiracy theorists (9/11 inside job, Illuminati, FEMA deathcamps, etc.) and several others that believe in bigfoot, ufos, and ghosts at work, so this shit hits really close to home for me. Sorry, sometimes I can't control my rustling
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