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Utnayan

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I thought this was a legit forum.
It is. That's why your shilling isn't popular here.

Oh by the way... From a few pages back before PAX East.

Utnayan said: PAX East will have a canned playable demo available at their show, and then they will have a couple weekend beta events. Half the game isn't even finished yet. And is set (must launch) in November.
Blackshill said: Just for the record, can you confirm that your first quote there is a fact and not an opinion?
1/1. Soon to be 4/4. (Well, it might be 70% finished when it launches at least and we are going to have one hell of a tested character creation process.)

Your game sucks and is the epitome of what the genre has shit out for the last 6 years. After this, it's time to go where these people fly away to. Zynga. (Or get pulled off to work for Rich Vogel if they kissed ass enough and didn't ripple the water)

Bethesda doesn't even want this thing launched. Todd Howard is pretty pissed behind closed doors. And the majority of Zenimax/Bethesda thinks Matt Firor is a fucking idiot which will bring down the popularity of the Elder Scrolls IP.

Do you have anything else you would wish to share while drunk on a Friday night besides burying the ounce of credibility that may have remained?
 

Tarrant

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He won't be able to share anything for two more days.
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Caeden

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Haha. I remember Ut getting shit from elsewhere, but I'd buy him a beer.
 

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Bethesda doesn't even want this thing launched. Todd Howard is pretty pissed behind closed doors. And the majority of Zenimax/Bethesda thinks Matt Firor is a fucking idiot which will bring down the popularity of the Elder Scrolls IP.
Not surprising, Todd Howard is pretty big on The Elder Scrolls being a Single Player experience.

I've never been terribly enthused by the idea of this game. I was instantly turned off by the whole 3 faction system when it was announced too, it just screamed that the game was in terrible hands and was going to turn out bad. The 3 factions make absolutely no fucking sense for the TES world at all, it's completely arbitrary crap and has no basis from anything we know about the world at all. It's also quite possibly the single worst game mechanic that anyone hasevercopied. Segregating your player-base is fucking retarded and not a single game has been better because of it.
 
Bethesda doesn't even want this thing launched. Todd Howard is pretty pissed behind closed doors. And the majority of Zenimax/Bethesda thinks Matt Firor is a fucking idiot which will bring down the popularity of the Elder Scrolls IP.
But does Mr. Firor pee with his pants on the ground? That's the mark of any truly competent MMO lead dev. And if Zenimax hired someone who doesn't? Well that's their own fucking fault for making such terrible decisions and not staying on top of things while ignoring the impassioned plea of the man and studio who actually make them worth a shit.
 

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I wonder if they will all magically speak a common language that for some reason no one else in the world outside their faction can speak?

BRILLIANT!
 

Utnayan

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He won't be able to share anything for two more days.
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Haha nice
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Also, I love beer. Surly Abrasive is one of the best IPA's known to man. Only made in good ol' Minnesota. I toured the brewery a few weeks ago and it was all delicious free beer.

Tarrant I see you are in Minneapolis. I am in Maple Grove
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If you drink beer, we should drink some.

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Tarrant

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Beer is indeed delicious. Have you had Bandwagon? It's a Surly that's exclusive to Target Field. It's pretty hoppy, but good.

I'm in Saint Louis Park technically, we could probably arrange a beer drinking at some point.
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DMK_sl

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To be honest this doesn't look promising at all. Just a bunch of PR spin on old mechanics. Rock Paper shotgun pulled them up on a few things and all they could really answer was. Oh but there is much more we haven't told you. I just can't understand why they didn't realise if you HAD to do an Elder Scrolls MMO at least make it as "Elder Scrollsey" as possible. Honestly make an extremely high budget Darkfall that is polished and I think they'd get a solid base audience right there to pay the bills. Right now you could slap on any generic fantasy name and it would fit. The whole pull of the Elder scrolls series was that it could do things no one else seem to be able to do in a fantasy setting.
 

Erronius

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Not surprising, Todd Howard is pretty big on The Elder Scrolls being a Single Player experience.
The more I think about this as an MMO, the more I start to feel the same way. And I think there is a definite danger of having some sort of "uncanny valley" issue when it's in an MMO, populated by a lot of MMO players. And even the nontraditional MMO players that buy this for the IP and who have only played the single player games...PvP? Really? I mean, if you have an entire continent that's FFA, how are peple who are only familiar with single player gameplay going to deal with some UO or DaoC vets ganking them? Sure they could stay in PvE areas, and maybe they could try the PvP and like it, but to me it just seems like a big, unnecessary gamble.

I was instantly turned off by the whole 3 faction system when it was announced too, it just screamed that the game was in terrible hands
I'm split atm, even though that voice in the back of my head is screaming at me that the IP is going to be stretched over Firor's vision and PVP/RvR like a fat man in a little coat.

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I hope I'm wrong, I really do. But I'm disgusted with all the big name IP moneygrabs, and have been for a while. The IP will bring players in and sell boxes, but the IPs are so grandiose and well known that I can't imagine anyone thinking that any of these games can remotely do the IP justice, which just leaves people feeling like it is just another MMO reskinned for the IP (which most are anymore anyways). Plus, if they were going to make a new MMO with RvR PvP, and use Firor, I wish they'd just make DaoC 2 or something. I imagine Mythic still controls DaoC itself but surely they could come up with something better than what appears to be the shoehorning of TES IP into Firor's vision. Jacobs and Camelot Unchained comes to mind as an example.

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Utnayan

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Beer is indeed delicious. Have you had Bandwagon? It's a Surly that's exclusive to Target Field. It's pretty hoppy, but good.

I'm in Saint Louis Park technically, we could probably arrange a beer drinking at some point.
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I never had that but I will this year for sure. I like really hoppy beers now a days. St. Louis Park - Bunnys!

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ESO junkies was launched Jun/Jul 2012 btw right around E3.

Ut, next time you're around NYC lemme know, we can drink delicious beers.
 

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Well its no surprise that companies want to leverage popular single player RPG IP's and make them MMO's for the cash flow. What is surprising is just how shitty most of the games ended up being.

I don't know what it is but its like the creative world (movies, TV, gaming) is devoid of anything original this generation. Lack of drugs maybe? Seriously though, its getting old as new blood pretty much rapes old IP's because they don't have an ounce of creative ability on their own. Many times they can't even get the remake right. Just feels like everything is rehashed these days and most of it is total shit.

What I do know is anyone reading from a design document and telling people how great the game is without releasing any real footage what so ever is simply to be ridiculed / ignored. Much less with the announced shitty first beta.
 

Caeden

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I never touched Darkfall, but wouldn't a re-tweaked Darkfall be much closer to the essence of TES? I mean, make some small group dungeoning pve (all open world, uninstanced) with free for all pvp (or maybe free for all between guilds) with a ton of npc scripting. No factions, but brotherhoods/guilds and a some open world objectives or boons for pvp, and done? Seems a more sure bet and cheaper to boot! Add in some optional and obscure pve quests too. IMO, you'd want to recreate an elder scrolls world where people can just "play".
 

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Well its no surprise that companies want to leverage popular single player RPG IP's and make them MMO's for the cash flow. What is surprising is just how shitty most of the games ended up being. .
Sadly, there is only one Richard Garriott and the rest of the game designers all suck. Just ask him.

The problem with SWTOR is it was a fun single player game, but unfortunately it had WOW's skill system and endgame pasted on top. I get the feeling ESO might be the same thing. Ah well, the first two months will be great before the mass exodus. I like the concept of RVR, but I don't think Frontiers or Darkness Falls on top of stereotypical grindy MMO will be enough to keep my interest long.
 

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I mean, make some small group dungeoning pve (all open world, uninstanced) with free for all pvp (or maybe free for all between guilds) with a ton of npc scripting.
Personally I would have preferred PvE and Zek servers (as opposed to how they went). That way carebears looking to run a dungeon with friends similar to the TESO multiplayer game that people have always wanted could play on a PvE server if they didn't want to deal with any PvP, and the PvPers could have an entire server (not only Cyrodiil) to jack around in.

No factions, but brotherhoods/guilds and a some open world objectives or boons for pvp, and done? Seems a more sure bet and cheaper to boot! Add in some optional and obscure pve quests too. IMO, you'd want to recreate an elder scrolls world where people can just "play".
The PvP that I would think would match TES IP the best wouldn't be large scale RvR, but more like small scale, intrigue driven, secret-society versus secret-society (or guild versus guild) PvP. So instead of having players all fuck around in big battles, picture this:

Some jackass breaks into your home and steals a bunch of items. Balance-wise it should be difficult to do if you upgrade your own home (guards, security, magic traps, etc), but when someone is successful the homeowner is pissed. Have the person flagged (invisibly obv) for stealing crap (unless a guard sees them, etc), and have NPCs in the underworld, or simply NPCs that your character has good enough faction with, be able to act on those flags and if you go out talking to your sources, maybe you get a quest or a contact so that you can do something in return. So maybe that Redguard woman in the skooma den that you have good faction with might be able to give you some intel or a name or maybe even a quest. Maybe you can find out whereTHEIRhouse is at, or put a contract out on them, or track them down in the gameworld for vengeance, maybe even try ganking them in some far off dungeon and tee-bagging their corpse for forum screenshots. This could easily work like the intel or whatever agents in EVE, just make it deeper than having to go see an "Intel" agent.

Personally I'd like to see factions such as they are (maybe not all, but many of them) be invisible to players. So instead of this retarded 3 hard faction system, I can join some revolutionary faction that wants to overthrow the gov't and hates humans or whatever, but no one could just look at me andknow. Maybe have some mechanics so that people could be "outed" officially in the game world, maybe you have to sneak around guards or whatever. And if I gank someone from another guild or society, have the door opened for guild wars or something similar that can break out in the shadows of the gameworld w/o needing roped off PvP areas or bullshit carrots like "Alliance Points". Edit: and none of this being able to join a single faction, allow it so that people might be able to join multiple factions as long as they don't work at cross purposes, and you could even have instances where if two of the guilds you are a member of go at it, that could generate new decisions and events for characters.

Now I'm just some forum jackass drinking coffee and typing on an internet forum, if I can think of other paradigms for stuff like this therehasto be people out there in the industry that can come up with this stuffandmake it happen, instead of Devs just regurgitating a bunch of disparate systems and design options that have already been used, sometimes ad nauseum.

I mean Firor, shit, he has credibility, same with Jacobs. But I wouldHATEto have to go through the rest of my career tweaking the same DaoC model (or EQ or WoW or whatever) that I had worked on previously, maybe adding a new twist here or there or borrowing from other MMOs, instead of...you know...creating something new and fresh and innovative.



Shit this thread depresses me, lol.