The Elder Scrolls Online

Additionally, I was watching some PTS streams this weekend, looks like there's more dynamic content in Cyrodil (IE: Torches/Rifts etc) some of which are veteran rank 10.

Can some of you PTS nerds comment on the valuation of this content in Cyrodil?

Dmitry_sl said:

How does that work Draeg? Do you get down leveled or basically put into an instance of the other factions' zones that is high level?

Also, is there any way, when low level, to get to the other factions' lands and do their quests or snag their blue items? For instance, if you are NOT Ald Domeri or whatever it's called, you don't get access to those blue daggers from the dungeon you go to for the fighter's guild. Those blue daggers are awesome sauce for lowbie dual wielders. I'd love for their to be some way to run around killing off all the boss mobs to grab their good loot.

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All the additional contest is boosted to your level so it's more difficult.

Vitality_sl said:

A weeks worth of content is hardly a main point of a game expected to fill atleast a month.

It'd be a different story if you could actually interact with your enemies territory, or some kind of dynamic content. I get that there might be level 50's of the opposing force, but it's a slim chance as they'd have to be able to access the level 50 phase.

I'd like to hear some feedback on this topic regarding enemy 50's in the overworld, or any kind of dynamic, replayable PVE content post 50.

There's no way I can drive interest in this game to my more PVE centric friends without the previous two key words.

TL;DR: Don't buy ESO expecting it's pve content model to be sustainable long term

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It's plenty of content for people who aren't poopsockers.

Looks like Beta is this coming weekend. Invites to go out tomorrow.

Source: ESO Facebook + Reddit

Just announced on the Facebook page: "Yes, Gary! In fact, our next ESO beta event will take place this coming weekend. We'll send invites tomorrow. Get excited! "

Draegan_sl said:

It's plenty of content for people who aren't poopsockers.

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I guess that makes me and anyone who doesn't want to settle on valueless content a poopsocker.

/poetry I'm down for drawn out story, listening to cutscenes etc. Totally down. But when we're just rehashing low level content especially at the release of the game. I kind of frown. /endpoetry

I went to the world's most renown chef's (elBulli) seminar yesterday, granted some guy tried to pick pocket me on the walk there, I learned that creativity and innovation are not present (or greatly reduced) in a lifestyle of routine.

If ESO's routine is to recycle existing content, there's an apparent lack of innovation at hand. (This is usually caused by the inherrent stranglehold investor relations has on the creative team)

More-over, settling for static content like this whileexpecting it to get better over timeand basing your purchase on this assumption is just ignorant. (No point in reading this forum if you disagree as there is no credentialed risk hedging in voluntary investments like this one.)

TL;DR: By that logic everyone is a poopsocker in ESO's eyes, unless you play only 4 hours/week.

Vitality_sl said:

I guess that makes me and anyone who doesn't want to settle on valueless content a poopsocker.

/poetry I'm down for drawn out story, listening to cutscenes etc. Totally down. But when we're just rehashing low level content especially at the release of the game. I kind of frown. /endpoetry

I went to the world's most renown chef's (elBulli) seminar yesterday, granted some guy tried to pick pocket me on the walk there, I learned that creativity and innovation are not present (or greatly reduced) in a lifestyle of routine.

If ESO's routine is to recycle existing content, there's an apparent lack of innovation at hand. (This is usually caused by the inherrent stranglehold investor relations has on the creative team)

More-over, settling for static content like this whileexpecting it to get better over timeand basing your purchase on this assumption is just ignorant. (No point in reading this forum if you disagree as there is no credentialed risk hedging in voluntary investments like this one.)

TL;DR: By that logic everyone is a poopsocker in ESO's eyes, unless you play only 4 hours/week.

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Hate to tell ya bud, but there are millions of people out there that have rolled alts to play through other faction's storyline.

Draegan_sl said:

Hate to tell ya bud, but there are millions of people out there that have rolled alts to play through other faction's storyline.

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You got me good, excellent post.

Did you reroll over the beta weekend?

Which storyline did you prefer?

I liked the way the AD line went up until It was unadvanceable, and will see it through. (looks like they fixed the advancement issues)

Additionally, I'm just trying to improve peoples expectations of this game. I feel a level of responsibility to atleast spark some kind of neural response to the fact that this game's pve is absolutely not worth making a purchase on.

If people are basing their purchases on rich story driven content, *I Feel* they're much better served in any of the various Bethesda singleplayers.

Alternatively, if you're into PVE that delivers an ass beating, I'd suggest giving Path of Exile's Invasion Challenge league a shot (it's a free game) It's hardcore as fk. I almost lost my 47 witch to a randomly affixed mob that filled the screen with fire dragon balls. Absolutely Thrilling.

In a positive light, the PVP in ESO is worth buying the game for. Given that you atleast try to make friends to group with in Cyrodil.

Of course this is all subjective opinion, so I appologize in advance if this hits a nerve.

I personally think it's a stupid mechanic, but I wasn't talking about only me. But please continue to post like a dumbass.

Vitality, it's good to learn that your opinion isn't a fact; I approve of you realizing this and clarifying your post.

Blackwulf_sl said:

Vitality, it's good to learn that your opinion isn't a fact; I approve of you realizing this and clarifying your post.

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Thanks for the lesson in humility and subjectiveness Blackwulf ;-)

I certainly do hope I eat my words post-release.

Vitality_sl said:

Additionally, I'm just trying to improve peoples expectations of this game. I feel a level of responsibility to atleast spark some kind of neural response to the fact that this game's pve is absolutely not worth making a purchase on.

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Yes, because the last 9,000 posts provided by more capable and intelligent contributors haven't already completely set expectations on what to expect. We needed you to swoop in on your shining, winged unicorn to release your unequaled, unfettered wisdom upon us. What would we have done without you?

Draegan_sl said:

I personally think it's a stupid mechanic, but I wasn't talking about only me. But please continue to post like a dumbass.

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I think I'll stop, don't like being insulted very much.

Looking forward to the weekend, If anyone wants to get together and pvp/pve you can find me in game (AD) @Vtality.

Looks like the client patched up to the PTS version, could be mistaken though.

Smooch xoxoxo

I'm not in the PTS but from what I understand veteran content works as if you were going through the zones as the actual alliance there, only it's a different instance and all upscaled in level and difficulty. Not sure how difficult but there's been a lot of crying about a recent templar nerf making them unable to do the content solo. This sounds strange since the nerf disallows them to spam heal themselves, which makes it sound like there's a more fundamental issue there if templars only option was to spam heals to survive. But, I haven't seen this first hand at all, and I know nothing about templars, so take it with a giant grain of salt.

To get through a veteran chapter you have to complete certain objectives, basically "do these specific quest hubs", but apparently you can go around and do all the quests even if they're not necessary. I suppose the good side of this is that you get to see all the content, the bad side is that rolling an alt will have absolutely nothing new for you, just the order in which you do things.

ESO is kind of weird in that you can powerlevel pretty fast, at least I was last weekend from the PVE quests in Cyrodiil. But if you do that then you'll have to go through every zone you skipped and go everywhere getting skyshards and lore books. A streamer was collecting lore books to get his Mage's Guild up and it took him like 13 hours to get up a few levels. Not an insane amount of time, but it's probably worth it to actually run around and collect as you level.

twincannon_sl said:

I'm not in the PTS but from what I understand veteran content works as if you were going through the zones as the actual alliance there, only it's a different instance and all upscaled in level and difficulty. Not sure how difficult but there's been a lot of crying about a recent templar nerf making them unable to do the content solo. This sounds strange since the nerf disallows them to spam heal themselves, which makes it sound like there's a more fundamental issue there if templars only option was to spam heals to survive. But, I haven't seen this first hand at all, and I know nothing about templars, so take it with a giant grain of salt.

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As I understand it, the issue is not that Templars needed to spam heals on themselves but the fact that the Restoring Spirit passive allowed them (Templars) to actively replenish their Magicka by spamming any skill that used Stamina, making Stamina useful to any build, even those that would otherwise not need it at all. Now not only do Magicka-heavy builds not really require investment in Stamina (aside from its dodging/blocking usage) but the Templar is left with no way toactivelyregenerate Magicka, and is the only class without such a mechanic, which impacts not only their solo PvE play but group PvP and any other.

This is where a PTS server Templar broke down the issue on Reddit.

Edit:Another perspective...

What do you think about the Restoring Spirit nerf?

Well I never had the skill before it was nerfed mostly because I'm psychic and I knew the skill would be nerfed into the ground. No, actually, I just don't always pay attention. I didn't realize it refunded magicka every time you used ANY ability. I thought it was just when you used Dawn's Wrath skills. Now, because of this, I never knew how amazing it was and therefore I don't really care much about it being nerfed. I can totally understand why people are angry that they lost it. But, I'm here to say you can still exist without it, I've been doing it all along and I've been at the top of the Cyrodiil campaign leaderboards. I think the 'slight' adjustment they made to max level resource levels has affected me more. I also think I'd be a lot more concerned if I wasn't built specifically around magicka skills, if I had decided to go down the Heavy Armor road. I think it's safe to say that the change has seriously limited our build options.

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Rhinohelix_sl said:

How did Vitality go from potential Ut beard to ESL drunk-poster in like two pages?

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Aren't those synonyms?

Vitality_sl said:

Which storyline did you prefer?

I liked the way the AD line went up until It was unadvanceable, and will see it through. (looks like they fixed the advancement issues)

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This is an interesting question because I just got done watching Angry Joe's updated review about TESO. If you saw the first one, he was pretty down on TESO but hadn't done the PvP content at all, just the PvE.

In his updated "PvP review" video, he did almost a 180. He claims that the difference between him almost hating ESO and now loving it, was two things:

1) He got into the PvP

2) He rerolled to the Dominion faction.

He claims that it's by far the better storyline and that with the others, he could barely be bothered with the game. Something about how the Dominion has all the quests almost lumped right on top of one another so it was easier to advance rather than the other two factions where you did an Ironman to complete a few of them.

Jackdaddio_sl said:

This is an interesting question because I just got done watching Angry Joe's updated review about TESO. If you saw the first one, he was pretty down on TESO but hadn't done the PvP content at all, just the PvE.

In his updated "PvP review" video, he did almost a 180. He claims that the difference between him almost hating ESO and now loving it, was two things:

1) He got into the PvP

2) He rerolled to the Dominion faction.

He claims that it's by far the better storyline and that with the others, he could barely be bothered with the game. Something about how the Dominion has all the quests almost lumped right on top of one another so it was easier to advance rather than the other two factions where you did an Ironman to complete a few of them.

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I have enjoyed them all. I really hate the main quest line up to the point you get to in the weekend betas but the three faction lines have been pretty good. Overall I like the stories in the early zones in general.

In retrospect, even though I only played SWOTOR for 3 months or so, I got my money's worth in large part because of the great stories. If TESO has good stories all the way up, I'll end up feeling the same way.

(God knows the PvP is better in TESO with the possible exception of Huttball which I played till my eyes bled.)

That may have a bit to do with how the "beginning area" of the EP and DC are split between 2 islands and AD only has Auridon, along with Angry Joe being an imbecile whose opinions sway like a boat sail. I enjoyed the main story of the AD (in so far as I could progress in it on weekends) but the story that takes you to Daggerfall on the DC side was interesting and fun also. I've never tried EP.