The Elder Scrolls Online

Utnayan · Mar 22, 2014

Felmega_sl said:
I dont see UT in there railing against the faults of that game. Same for the Wow thread. It begs the question of all the haters in this thread, what exactly are you trying to accomplish?

Nice title. It's not doom-saying when anyone with a heart beat and blood tricking through a few cells in your head can understand the entire fucking architecture is broken. No one is stopping you or anyone from blowing your $50 and change on a game. I am glad you are excited to sit there railing your head against the brick wall of obtuseness. It's your fucking life. But don't tell me those issues don't exist and try to gloss over them like Blackwulf on a meth bender posting about how UI mods not being in make the game more challenging, or an entire fix is to shift a copy character system to an entirely different server farm to make sure stress doesn't fuck up the game for the new PTR limit because megaserver is shit. Which is also completely untested, a week before launch.

Welcome to our forum. People know what they are buying and they are free to do whatever the fuck they want. This isn't the place to gloss over the obvious while throwing on your bose noise cancelling headphones and pretend none of that exists up until the point this thing launches and this thread * Really * turns into shit and about 6 posters vanish like a fart in the wind.

Is it fun when it works for some people? I am sure it is. The point being it doesn't fucking work.

Boloboy · Mar 22, 2014

It seems that people believe those api changes are permanent and really have their panties in a bunch about it. Its just ridiculous.

Felmega_sl · Mar 22, 2014

The thing is UT, you dont come across as an honest broker. IF you were not chronically critical of the game, the discussions could take place more seriously.

I admit though, I have never cared about add-ons. I used a DPS gauge for a while in WoW. I never even considered that this level of vitriol could be thrown overtemporarychanges to how mods/add-ons work. Maybe certain players need anadvantagethat badly?

I have my disappointments with the game. I just read on reddit that chat bubbles are out. Well, shit. I like chat bubles and I'm not happy about the fact that they will not be in-game. I am not going to begin a crusade.

Dmitry · Mar 22, 2014

Draegan_sl said:
Let's tak a class.

Addons are generally a way to redisplay I formation that a game provides for you. There are exceptions like mass mailers, outfitters, and auto inventory sorters and junk sellers.

Macros perform a series of commands in a predetermined order and time.

Scripts or bots take advantage of both above and automate functions in the game for you.

Good post. I'd add that a lot of this verbiage predates MMOs and goes to MUDS.

Scripts that fully automate character behavior so you can completely walk away from the screen create bots. Bots are characters whose behaviour is completely controlled by a script.

Macros execute a command or series of commands on button pushes. (Yes, you can have a macro that starts a series of scripts).

Usage

You could have an addon that had a script running in the background that casts defensive spells automatically. You could have the same addon that had a similar script that prompted for a macro that cast defensive spells.

What Zeni did was take away key inputs so that it is harder to automate scripts and macros. By taking away those inputs... those things a player can see through the API, then you get rid of the bad stuff (automated playing) but you also get rid of the good stuff (help to know when to heal, passive reads to do damage meters).

Rescorla_sl · Mar 22, 2014

Jackdaddio_sl said:
If you want to be semantical, you are happy to do that. You agreed that the mods don't play the game for you. YOUR words. Throwing a 'but' on the end doesn't quantify your agreement of that.

And as I said after, addons do not play a game for you which is the point. No one could ever prove that.

However, if you had a problem with a Rift style "Press one button and tank a boss" macro 'playing the game for you'.. I'd agree. But make no mistake, you know Ut is right but it's killing you to agree with that point because you two got history here.

I take it you are ignorant of how Decursive originally worked?

Rescorla_sl · Mar 22, 2014

Quaid_sl said:
Are some of you autistic or something? Nobody is arguing that mods press the actual buttons for you and put your character on autopilot. Jesus fucking Christ.

Part of 'playing' the game is executing your abilities while retaining a high degree of situational awareness. MANY mods in early WoW trivialized the need for situational awareness.

This is really not debatable at all.

Some Gumps here would rather quibble over semantics and side with Utnayan than admit that.

spronk · Mar 22, 2014

man i can't wait for 3 more weeks and this thread to drop off page 1 completely and all the fanbois to disappear from rerolled forever. yeah, i have no idea why i am opening it either i don't really read anything just hoping someone posts funny TESO themed cat pictures

i miss my old UI

Tuco · Mar 22, 2014

spronk_sl said:
man i can't wait for 3 more weeks and this thread to drop off page 1 completely and all the fanbois to disappear from rerolled forever. yeah, i have no idea why i am opening it either i don't really read anything just hoping someone posts funny TESO themed cat pictures

i miss my old UI

You'd have to be pretty bad to have a UI like that.

Here's mine as a healer:

For those who aren't familiar, the raid health mod I used is called Grid, you can see it there where Iro, Nel, Pro is. It can easily fit 40 people there without cluttering the UI.

Rescorla_sl · Mar 22, 2014

spronk_sl said:
man i can't wait for 3 more weeks and this thread to drop off page 1 completely and all the fanbois to disappear from rerolled forever. yeah, i have no idea why i am opening it either i don't really read anything just hoping someone posts funny TESO themed cat pictures

Actually the more entertaining future will be if TESO is relatively stable at launch and Utnayan has another massive conniption fit because he was adamant that it would be completely broken.

Felmega_sl · Mar 22, 2014

spronk_sl said:
man i can't wait for 3 more weeks and this thread to drop off page 1 completely and all the fanbois to disappear from rerolled forever. yeah, i have no idea why i am opening it either i don't really read anything just hoping someone posts funny TESO themed cat pictures

i miss my old UI

There is more UI here than game? lol

Heallun · Mar 22, 2014

spronk_sl said:
man i can't wait for 3 more weeks and this thread to drop off page 1 completely and all the fanbois to disappear from rerolled forever. yeah, i have no idea why i am opening it either i don't really read anything just hoping someone posts funny TESO themed cat pictures

i miss my old UI

Doesn't this kind of make the point people are trying to make about playing the world and not the UI. You've got addons telling you what to switch to, auto marking, bar addon (because that's jsut how healing was

) and it's so fucked you can't even see your character. There's got to be a better way to heal a raid, but smart heals probably aren't it. Targeting for healing has always sucked, though--that's why I really didn't do it much past EQ.

Selix · Mar 22, 2014

Heallun_sl said:
Doesn't this kind of make the point people are trying to make about playing the world and not the UI. You've got addons telling you what to switch to, auto marking, bar addon (because that's jsut how healing was ) and it's so fucked you can't even see your character. There's got to be a better way to heal a raid, but smart heals probably aren't it. Targeting for healing has always sucked, though--that's why I really didn't do it much past EQ.

This is kind of true. The one thing I truly always hated about healing was how little I got to watch the game and as long as their were bars you could use for healing you had no excuse not using them.

Selix · Mar 22, 2014

Tuco_sl said:
You'd have to be pretty bad to have a UI like that.

Here's mine as a healer:

For those who aren't familiar, the raid health mod I used is called Grid, you can see it there where Iro, Nel, Pro is. It can easily fit 40 people there without cluttering the UI.

Where are your raid frames? Did you not have to do any raid healing?

rhinohelix · Mar 22, 2014

Heallun_sl said:
Doesn't this kind of make the point people are trying to make about playing the world and not the UI. You've got addons telling you what to switch to, auto marking, bar addon (because that's jsut how healing was ) and it's so fucked you can't even see your character. There's got to be a better way to heal a raid, but smart heals probably aren't it. Targeting for healing has always sucked, though--that's why I really didn't do it much past EQ.

I have already expressed how WoW addons became so required that on several attempts to restart playing, I gave out trying to figure which I needed. And they were needed, because the default UI was(is?) so bad; it could be that bad because Blizz outsourced real improvements to the community at large.

This Penny Arcade sums up the macro/bot risk, or at least I found it funny and vaguely on-topic:

Obviously ZOS needs to add large chuncks of that functionality back. I seriously enjoyed the game more with FTC than without.

Tuco · Mar 22, 2014

Selix_sl said:
Where are your raid frames? Did you not have to do any raid healing?

the raid health mod I used is called Grid, you can see it there where Iro, Nel, Pro is. It can easily fit 40 people there without cluttering the UI.

Selix · Mar 22, 2014

Tuco_sl said:
the raid health mod I used is called Grid, you can see it there where Iro, Nel, Pro is. It can easily fit 40 people there without cluttering the UI.

Oh that's the one where it shows the lowest health person (or whatever threshold you were setup to use)? Yep it was pretty awesome.

Zx88_sl · Mar 22, 2014

Selix_sl said:
This is kind of true. The one thing I truly always hated about healing was how little I got to watch the game and as long as their were bars you could use for healing you had no excuse not using them.

Last time I played WoW, healing on my shaman had been turned into a shitty game of whack-a-mole. Staring at raid frames trying to mouse over them as quick as possible. DPS'ing wasn't even that much better.. I forgot what mod it was but it used to flash symbols for the optimal dps rotation. There was even a mod that had graphical queues of where to run in raid encounters. Even though the mods never technically "played" for you, it was way to over automated imho. I guess I'm in the minority and am kind of glad they are limited what mods can do.

Blackwulf · Mar 22, 2014

Seriously? This guy's UI talks to him. And look at how busy that screen is. I think ESO is going for a different style.

mrmoneda_sl · Mar 22, 2014

Every time I read some snip about watching/playing the game instead of the UI I want to ask "what are you talking about?" Burning oil, Searing Strike, Fiery breath and Sun Fire all have the same fucking debuff animation, but at least one of them can kill an ally in 3 ticks if not dispelled with an expensive as fuck purge. Puncture has a debuff that can lower your spell resistance by nearly 50%, so you may wanna block while it lasts, but you can't see debuffs on your own character, when you're hit with Puncture no part of the UI will tell you even with an add-on, and the Puncture debuff has no animation. None.

I wish the PTS players luck in testing Craglorn next month.

Tuco · Mar 22, 2014

Selix_sl said:
Oh that's the one where it shows the lowest health person (or whatever threshold you were setup to use)? Yep it was pretty awesome.

Nah it shows everyone in your raid. It's highly configurable. I don't have any screenshots of it fully populated but here's the first one I found online:

As you can tell, my customization is smaller than that.

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