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Utnayan

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So, once again the conversation has degenerated. I'll try again next time there's new info. Enjoy your circle jerk of doom.
Please come back when you have some real discussion rather than promoting ZO's bullshit tripe/fluff, which about 6 people in this thread who used to work on the game or still do, know is full of shit.
 

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Wait wait , I only glance occasionally at the thread to see if there's any point in using the beta account at any point near in the future , and I've got to ask this after noting the above few posts.

The "massive" PVP is instanced ? I thought that they were pushing actual open world PVP at max level or something at least , but the plan is its instanced ?

Sigh , why could DAOC pull off realm non instanced PVP in 2001 but it's a lost fucking art of programming that no modern mmo dev can more than a decade later ?
 

Utnayan

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In Blackwulf's indefinite absence in waiting for any information which isn't a bold face lie or spin show, you can always read his articles and ass kissing here!

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Wait wait , I only glance occasionally at the thread to see if there's any point in using the beta account at any point near in the future , and I've got to ask this after noting the above few posts.

The "massive" PVP is instanced ? I thought that they were pushing actual open world PVP at max level or something at least , but the plan is its instanced ?
One server to rule them all! (Tm) I should really start viral marketing... I am so much better at it than some others.

Yes one mega server, completely destroying all persistence. Consolized PvP turns MMORPG into multiplayer capture the flag - news at 11. Yes. Defiance with a subscription. Only worse combat, less content at launch, and horrid management with no future goals what so ever. At this point they have no plans on longevity. They are trying to earn their investment back and see what else they can scrape off the top. Don't worry. I'm sure Matt Firor and Paul Sage will be working with Rich Vogel at Battlecry to start the whole mess over again in 6 months!
 

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Utnayan, seriously, which of these companies did you get laid off/fired from? You are bashing this game with such fervour that you have to have some kind of motivation. It's starting to get fucking weird and annoying. I come to this thread to get some actual information and 90% of the posts are you pretending to have insider info and destroying any conversation that there might be taking place.
 

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Wait wait , I only glance occasionally at the thread to see if there's any point in using the beta account at any point near in the future , and I've got to ask this after noting the above few posts.

The "massive" PVP is instanced ? I thought that they were pushing actual open world PVP at max level or something at least , but the plan is its instanced ?

Sigh , why could DAOC pull off realm non instanced PVP in 2001 but it's a lost fucking art of programming that no modern mmo dev can more than a decade later ?
I'll answer you what I know, cause I'm a glutton for punishment I guess: Because there is only one giant server, they have to break Cyrodiil up into many PERSISTENT instances. Every time you go to Cyrodiil, it will be the same instance with the same enemies and allies. You can change what instance you are assigned to, but it will be costly and timered.

Each instance will have campaigns that keep track of winners and losers and crown an emperor at the end. Then the campaign resets, but the instance does NOT. Keeps retain ownership and people in the instance stay the same.

Really, Cyrodiil instances are more like virtual servers than what you imagine based on instances from other games.

I can say, from experience, that it is nothing like FPS PVP ("consolized pvp".)
 

Utnayan

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Utnayan, seriously, which of these companies did you get laid off/fired from? You are bashing this game with such fervour that you have to have some kind of motivation. It's starting to get fucking weird and annoying. I come to this thread to get some actual information and 90% of the posts are you pretending to have insider info and destroying any conversation that there might be taking place.
I wouldn't come to get information from this thread. Here you are going to see spin and conjecture. When you want information, you will see it elsewhere besides here because it will be actual information and not spin on the game. If you want to know anything about the game itself, PM me and I can talk to you about any details you wish to know. And knock it off with this laid off shit. It shits up threads more than Blackwulf trying to pitchman it.
 

Utnayan

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I'll answer you what I know, cause I'm a glutton for punishment I guess: Because there is only one giant server, they have to break Cyrodiil up into many PERSISTENT instances. Every time you go to Cyrodiil, it will be the same instance with the same enemies and allies. You can change what instance you are assigned to, but it will be costly and timered.

Each instance will have campaigns that keep track of winners and losers and crown an emperor at the end. Then the campaign resets, but the instance does NOT. Keeps retain ownership and people in the instance stay the same.

Really, Cyrodiil instances are more like virtual servers than what you imagine based on instances from other games.

I can say, from experience, that it is nothing like FPS PVP ("consolized pvp".)
A persistent INSTANCE!? No. It isn't. Another lie. It is a tug of war match which goes on for a few weeks. However, in those few weeks you can switch to whatever fucking instance of RvR you want to! Losing? Just switch to Cyrodil (34). Battle too lopsided? Switch to Cyrodil (23). Want to play with some friends stuck on another server? Switch to Cyrodil (22). Got stuck fighting against goons? Wait that won't happen they are too smart to purchase this game. But how would you know? Of that's right... NONE OF IT IS BEING TESTED. And Brian Wheeler is being starved for assets so Paul Sage can pass over the 1-10 area for the 50th time due to complete incompetence.

Persistent instances. Now I have fucking heard it all.

And yes BW, it is EXACTLY like consolized PvP, just on a longer scale (2 weeks instead of a match) but still, zero impact on the server, the world, absolutelyno reasonto fight the war other than leveling your PvP inherent talent traits, which are balanced out to make sure newbies can still fight the veterans - which makes those fucking useless as well. At least RvR in DAOC gave inherent rewards for the ENTIRE SERVER - Which inherently, * WAS * the sole world, which had persistence because it was static.

Jesus man how do you sleep at night knowing you are absolutely full of shit to the people here that want to simply learn the fucking truth about what's under the hood?
 

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So, once again the conversation has degenerated. I'll try again next time there's new info. Enjoy your circle jerk of doom.
I'm sorry if criticism about information directly taken from Zenimax / Bethesda interviews shuts you like a clam, I was merely pointing out some flaws regarding advertising information you released in your post. If you're willing to write stuff about Elder Scrolls Online, you should give people all the available information rather than spinning it according to your personal agenda.
 

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Sorry man, but you have to understand what it looks like to an outsider... perhaps I'm way off base you seem to have a personal vendetta against ZO and the people in charge there. It's really just as bad as the (supposed) shills.
 

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What we have here is a failure to communicate. Utnayan, simply put, you're wrong. Read my post again. Apparently your "source" is not explaining things to you correctly.
 

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A persistent INSTANCE!? No. It isn't. Another lie. It is a tug of war match which goes on for a few weeks. However, in those few weeks you can switch to whatever fucking instance of RvR you want to! Losing? Just switch to Cyrodil (34). Battle too lopsided? Switch to Cyrodil (23). Want to play with some friends stuck on another server? Switch to Cyrodil (22). Got stuck fighting against goons? Wait that won't happen they are too smart to purchase this game. But how would you know? Of that's right... NONE OF IT IS BEING TESTED.
It's funny because none of what you're saying is like what happened during that Stress Test featuring Cyrodiil with lvl50 characters ; you can't jump from one instance to another, there's a hard cooldown as well as score (?) advancement loss. Also you're talking about Cyrodiil being not tested while it's known there already has been a Stress Test weekend featuring it. I'm not defending anyone here, but if we're gonna call anyone out about one sided information and misleading opinions, we should at least refrain from doing the very same stuff.
 

Utnayan

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/\/\ That was a stress test without a majority of it's systems fully functional. Including instance shift. You'll see it all soon enough.

Quaid: I don't. They just suck as game designers and have made a really bad work environment there for people I know. It's why the game is bombing hard right now. And why the genre is in just as rough shape.

Let me know if you want factual information on any system you would like information on - Just PM me and ask the details and I will go into them. You will get more information from that than you will in this thread.
 

Utnayan

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What we have here is a failure to communicate. Utnayan, simply put, you're wrong. Read my post again. Apparently your "source" is not explaining things to you correctly.
Here you go Blackwulf, you are saying this is wrong then correct?

There will be multiple instances of Cyrodiil. We are going to work with a campaign system where the same players play in an instance of Cyrodiil until certain marks are met by one faction. Dailies are here for a lot of the PvE players. Unfortunately, this is one of our only end game components for PvE. Other than that you are correct, all we have are heroic dungeon runs. Adventure zones won't make launch.

You can change between campaigns for an ingame PvP currency fee (internal testing), we are also weighing the option of allowing someone to join someone on their friends list for a day without a fee, but they will be sent back to their own instance of Cyrodill after playing. Either way, this doesn't do much for either player other than they can be together in the same instance for a time. And really, there is no reason to even play this content other than a dick-wave. Nothing that happens in Cyrodil will have any impact on the player's home PvE base. Completely separate worlds, and it makes the entire experience feel fake. We have brought this up many times, but without any budgeting going to our area, we have no choice but to shoe-horn in what we can to ship this thing out in April.

With that said, you can have multiple campaigns running at the same time so you will be able to hop between them all. This is the only end game content that will be in the game. Most assets are tied up polishing 1-20, as we are so far behind. And we all know where those assets are going and why we are behind to begin with. Where is Rich Lamberts promotion when you need it? Paul Sage is incompetent. And it is holding back assets from the rest of the game. We are having major issues with animation/UI control/links and responsiveness, ability tail off and bloat with trait design... As of right now this is probably the worst project I have ever been on in my ** years in the industry.
 

Utnayan

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Dude Ut, take a break man, christ. As much as I enjoy your rants, you're ranting too much.
Well, I just posted a highlight snippet from someone who actually works on the game and blasting Blackwulf for flat out having an agenda and lying about it. Sorry I get overzealous when I see flat out lies and spin/conjecture with an alternate agenda than factual information dissemination. It's the way I'll always be. Maybe we should get rid of the source. Oh wait, we can't, that person is too busy trying to get web hits without telling the truth to the readers of the same web hits.

Off to a great start with Junkies. The place to go where the writers kiss the asses of the PR teams to get zero worthy information. Is that how you want it to be remembered?

There are better writers out there. And by writers, not insulting the entire team, just Blackwulf.
 

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I'm pretty sure whatever crappy PR is out there, it's not fooling anyone that doesn't want to be fooled. The game is probably going to be terrible yet I've heard some "good things" about it. Good things meaning, it's not completely terrible (but not good). We'll see.

But I just caught up a few days worth of posts and you just need to pick a different thing to harp on. At least don't do it every single day. It's diluting your brand.

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Plus TESO junkies is a fansite, it's doing what it's supposed to be doing.
 

Utnayan

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I'm pretty sure whatever crappy PR is out there, it's not fooling anyone that doesn't want to be fooled. The game is probably going to be terrible yet I've heard some "good things" about it. Good things meaning, it's not completely terrible (but not good). We'll see.

But I just caught up a few days worth of posts and you just need to pick a different thing to harp on. At least don't do it every single day. It's diluting your brand.
Well, I don't sell anything so there is no brand to protect. As long as Blackwulf spins lies, and I know for a fact otherwise, I'll continue to call him out on it until he starts being honest in the threads - which obviously impact the opinion of readers here in hitting up TESO Junkies (Your site integrity should be a concern) knowing he is writing it and has obvious leanings for financial purposes and even more lies here in this very thread. You should find a new writer for TESO Junkies.

Plus TESO junkies is a fansite, it's doing what it's supposed to be doing.
Lying to it's readers and spinning false hype? No wonder I have never ran one.