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Utnayan

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What's the confusion? You must be in 1 or 2, so your connections are better than I thought. Congrats!
I would have thought by now you would be playing more than just weekend/sporadic betas. That surprises me.

Maybe that is where our disconnect is. You are seeing what they want you to see, I am seeing the shit under the hood and what the game really is.
 

Blackwulf

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I would have thought by now you would be playing more than just weekend/sporadic betas. That surprises me.

Maybe that is where our disconnect is. You are seeing what they want you to see, I am seeing the shit under the hood and what the game really is.
Crazy, man. Hope they can put it all together for spring!
 

DMK_sl

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I've already admitted quite a while ago that I was in the level 50 cyrodiil test around a month ago. I am telling you it does not feel like GW2, as much as they sound similar on paper. End of my comments on that matter.

Calm down, dude.
Lol calm down? Where am I raging? If anything I'm laughing at how stupid you look. You said that it feels VASTLY different to GW 2 but you can't say why because of NDA. You are full of shit. Simply hiding behind this NDA that you've already broken numerous times because you know I'm right. ESO is the same as GW 2 and the only thing that would 'feel' different is the combat. Surely you aren't that stupid to think we are talking about combat but rather the actual feature set of PvP.

You've been caught spinning shit again and trying to pass ESO's end game off as something different too GW 2 because we all know GW 2's end game was lack lustre. Not terrible but not up to expectations. Every time you try to spin shit I'm going to call you out on it because I feel that this board usually offers an honest assessment of games in general and I don't want leeches like you coming in here and compromising what this board has to offer.
 

Blackwulf

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Lol calm down? Where am I raging? If anything I'm laughing at how stupid you look. You said that it feels VASTLY different to GW 2 but you can't say why because of NDA. You are full of shit. Simply hiding behind this NDA that you've already broken numerous times because you know I'm right. ESO is the same as GW 2 and the only thing that would 'feel' different is the combat. Surely you aren't that stupid to think we are talking about combat but rather the actual feature set of PvP.

You've been caught spinning shit again and trying to pass ESO's end game off as something different too GW 2 because we all know GW 2's end game was lack lustre. Not terrible but not up to expectations. Every time you try to spin shit I'm going to call you out on it because I feel that this board usually offers an honest assessment of games in general and I don't want leeches like you coming in here and compromising what this board has to offer.
Cool, dude.
 

Draegan_sl

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Lol calm down? Where am I raging? If anything I'm laughing at how stupid you look. You said that it feels VASTLY different to GW 2 but you can't say why because of NDA. You are full of shit. Simply hiding behind this NDA that you've already broken numerous times because you know I'm right. ESO is the same as GW 2 and the only thing that would 'feel' different is the combat. Surely you aren't that stupid to think we are talking about combat but rather the actual feature set of PvP.

You've been caught spinning shit again and trying to pass ESO's end game off as something different too GW 2 because we all know GW 2's end game was lack lustre. Not terrible but not up to expectations. Every time you try to spin shit I'm going to call you out on it because I feel that this board usually offers an honest assessment of games in general and I don't want leeches like you coming in here and compromising what this board has to offer.
This thread has room for only one crazy asshole and I think Ut got here first. I don't know why you think it's acceptable to be a raging dickhead.
 

Utnayan

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meh, character creation video looked impressive.
That character creation video did nothing that any other RPG/ Most MMORPG character creation video did. I had all those custom options since literally 2003. Other games have fallen short, some have gone way above and beyond (City of Heroes). Unless you think it is good that they aren't just giving you a template of characters like some other games do. But being right in the middle of what everyone else is doing as well isn't impressive. Sorry I disagree.

I think everyone here should be more concerned that their marketing is pointing to character creation videos rather than the game itself 5 months from launch.
 

Bondurant

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Let's see, we have no proof either Blackwulf or Utnayan are in ESO beta right now :

- Blackwulf called himself being in the beta more often a genuine liar would do. I mean there's no way anyone could spend months repeating the same thing, without it being a little true. Unless he's clinically insane, of course. And while he seems to have to genuine information, most of his beta knowledge could be found on Internet in a couple of Google searchs.

- Utnayan has serious videogames development knowledge, he knows every people by their name, that's how we discovered being a MMO developer is the right path to become Satan. Though, on the other hand, his beta facts are often wrong, he seems to get his info from some older beta client / early beta phase and sometimes mix stuff up.

The only way to find if either Blackwulf, Utnayan or both are in beta or not, and have legit contacts at Zenimax / Bethesda or not, is for them to give beta access to some neutral character around (me, for example). First of them who can produce a legit ESO beta invite to the neutral person (remember, it's me) will win theI AM IN THE BETA AND I KNOW THINGS YOU PEOPLE COULDN'T BELIEVEargument. I'm not trying to push my personal agenda here ; it's the only way to sort things out. The neutral character (me) will have to produce a neutral email (without his rerolled name in it), get invited and then acknowledge here who sent him the invite first. This plan is so flawless I'm going to install the game client. Right now.
 

Barab

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Without breaking NDA playing ESOL rvr has a very different feel then gw2 rvr.

Major differences in ESOL RVR from GW2 and I am sure there are more but off the top of my head...

- Mounts in ESOL

- One rvr map all three factions play on lasting months as opposed to four separate rvr maps in gw2 lasting a week.

- Multiple scrolls / relics / Orbs or bones or clams or whatever you call them that have to be captured then escorted, skipped, jumped, or hand held across the map in order to capture / receive their bonus.

- Alliances- In game tools to create guild alliances

- No spiking- No more I killed you but I have to spike / stomp you to finish you

- No names above players heads- No giant red names seen a mile away

- Giant city / Raid dungeon in the middle of the map

- PVP earned Emperor title that comes with enhanced abilities

- Summon camp - Being able to dig deep into enemy lands setting up player summoning camps

- Every wall and gate on a keep is destructible

- Keeps do not repair on capture for the faction claiming it. Walls stay down etc on capture.

Of course they better make it a bitch and not worth it to switch campaigns if trying to campaign hop to a winning campaign. There better be an incentive for the losing two factions to work together or at least focus on the winning faction, unlike gw2, and an incentive to keep logging in if another faction is dominating. Sure there are similarities but there are differences. There will be interest from those who enjoyed DAOC because on paper and in feel it is better than gw2's rvr but how much of staying power, especially with a monthly sub, with other mmorpg rvr games coming out in 2015 its questionable how long guilds will stick around long term.
 

Bondurant

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Without breaking NDA playing ESOL rvr has a very different feel then gw2 rvr.

Major differences in ESOL RVR from GW2 and I am sure there are more but off the top of my head...

- Mounts in ESOL

- One rvr map all three factions play on lasting months as opposed to four separate rvr maps in gw2 lasting a week.

- Multiple scrolls / relics / Orbs or bones or clams or whatever you call them that have to be captured then escorted, skipped, jumped, or hand held across the map in order to capture / receive their bonus.

- Alliances- In game tools to create guild alliances

- No spiking- No more I killed you but I have to spike / stomp you to finish you

- No names above players heads- No giant red names seen a mile away

- Giant city / Raid dungeon in the middle of the map

- PVP earned Emperor title that comes with enhanced abilities

- Summon camp - Being able to dig deep into enemy lands setting up player summoning camps

- Every wall and gate on a keep is destructible

- Keeps do not repair on capture for the faction claiming it. Walls stay down etc on capture.
Most of the things you wrote weren't in Cyrodiil's Stress Test PvP. And I'm saying it without breaking the NDA as well, of course.
 

Barab

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Most of the things you wrote weren't in Cyrodiil's Stress Test PvP. And I'm saying it without breaking the NDA as well, of course.
oh ya which ones ? Because other than the city in the middle opening and alliance tools I personally experienced the rest.
 

Utnayan

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- Mounts in ESOL -Ut Note: There were no mounts in GW2 at all. So fairly irrelevant.

- One rvr map all three factions play on lasting months as opposed to four separate rvr maps in gw2 lasting a week.Ut Note: True. Unfortunately with campaign jumping this won't matter.

- Multiple scrolls / relics / Orbs or bones or clams or whatever you call them that have to be captured then escorted, skipped, jumped, or hand held across the map in order to capture / receive their bonus.Ut Note: Nothing more than collecting resources from various camps to build out keep defenses in GW2. New coat of paint. Nothing different.

- Alliances- In game tools to create guild alliances Ut note:Irrelevant and useless feature in an instanced environment with Campaign/Server jumping

- No spiking- No more I killed you but I have to spike / stomp you to finish you Ut noteNot enough to distinguish combat mechanics. Just a way to quickly revive a player. TESO has a way to revive players in RvR as well.

- No names above players heads- No giant red names seen a mile awayUt Note: This is a player option on either game

- Giant city / Raid dungeon in the middle of the mapUt Note: There are no raid dungeons. Think of this (If they get it populated and itemized) as why you would want to win Wintergrasp. They have no other ideas and are pressed for time.

- PVP earned Emperor title that comes with enhanced abilitiesUt Note: No one will care when it will have zero impact on the world outside of Cyrodill. Hey look, my title. It means.... absolutely.... nothing... because as far as the game is concerned, the entire war outside of the PvE game doesn't exist aside from some quest text.

- Summon camp - Being able to dig deep into enemy lands setting up player summoning campsUt Note: They added a measure which hampered GW2 with lots of running. The entire point of RvR is to now capture keeps because it helps your alliance spawns. The fact that they think this is why people will play, because it works in Battlefield 4, is depressing beyond words and makes me question the IQ of the entire state of Maryland.

- Every wall and gate on a keep is destructibleUt note: Most walls and keep gates in GW2 were destructible as well. With that said, this doesn't matter from a game play perspective because sooner or later the zerg will focus in on one segment.In the end it will be too cumbersome for players to overcome from a defense perspective, and very easily exploitable. Makes for a great marketing vibe though to sell that box.

- Keeps do not repair on capture for the faction claiming it. Walls stay down etc on capture.Ut Note: This means RvR will be stagnant at one keep and will stall advancement. Why they can also say "MONTHS!" (Adjusted down to weeks because it will ne unsustainable when everyone quits within 3 weeks) this "feature" should be destroyed if they know what is good for them. Bearing down on RvR and setting victory conditions, this doesn't mix. Either way, GW2's system was better in this regard.
Of course they better make it a bitch and not worth it to switch campaigns if trying to campaign hop to a winning campaign.
They don't and won't.

There better be an incentive for the losing two factions to work together or at least focus on the winning faction, unlike gw2, and an incentive to keep logging in if another faction is dominating.
There isn't. They will switch campaigns.

Sure there are similarities but there are differences. There will be interest from those who enjoyed DAOC because on paper and in feel it is better than gw2's rvr but how much of staying power, especially with a monthly sub, with other mmorpg rvr games coming out in 2015 its questionable how long guilds will stick around long term.
The monthly sub is a cash in. Seizing a window of opportunity to grab extra monetary profits from 3, 6, and lifetime sub revenue. Free to play conversion is already being developed as we speak, and it slated for September 2014. That subscription revenue will not be going towards game development. It will be leveraged to recoup over 200 million spent on this. (I do not even want to know what they paid for the WETA trailers)
 

Barab

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Yeah these two plus I doubt you had lasting months campaign to try, as well as Emperor title gameplay.
Oh right it was a short test sorry excuse me it wasnt a month long plus campaign. Please forgive me for not being able to power earn an emperor title as well but several were earned. I guess I wasnt clear when I said there were differences in rvr between gw2 and esol I wasnt trying to imply I had personally earned the emperor title sacking the middle objective Imperial City over the course of a few months.
 

Utnayan

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With consoles in, if it's half decent, they'll probably pull a billion within 6 months.
Because people will confuse this for the next Elder Scrolls game. And I guarantee you they are banking on this.

Leaving a lot of consumers out there thinking, "What the fuck?"
 

DMK_sl

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This thread has room for only one crazy asshole and I think Ut got here first. I don't know why you think it's acceptable to be a raging dickhead.
Blackwulf was caught out talking shit and all of a sudden I'm raging? You want to talk about dickheads? Who's the dickhead employing guys like Blackwulf. He's a representation of your brand. But your right I'm a dickhead for clarifying the facts. Great input tho. Any other tips on how I should post?

Oh and just some numbers for you. In the last 90-95 posts I posted 8 times compared to Blackwulf's 17 and the worst thing I called Blackwulf was either stupid or a bullshiter. But I guess he does work for you so you'd better protect him from looking stupid.
 

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All Utnayan bullshit aside, the ability delays and skipped GCDs in TOR was a serious thing. The worse thing to me was when you wold activate an ability, see the animation go off, but it actually did not happen. Coupled with NO FUCKING COMBAT LOG, an absolutely ridiculous thing in an MMO, this made it very hard to play the game in any serious raiding or even single group context. They did fix many of these issues though, and TOR is certainly a much more responsive game now than what it was at launch. Still not near WoWs level though.

If ESO has these same issues, I will most likely quit the game immediately. If ESO has a combat log, that will help matters. One of the problems with getting Bioware to fix the ability delay in TOR was that without a combat log, it was possible for many casual players or fanbois to scream that we were just making shit up about missed GCDs and the like.