The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies (2014)

Hoss · Jan 3, 2015

aychamo_aycono_sl said:
So, in LOTR TTT, Gandalf comes back as The White, as "Saruman should have been." What happened to Saruman at that time? Was he stripped of power by "God"? Or were there two beings with the power of Saruman the White at the same time? In the movie it shows Saruman could still have power over Theoden at the time. Just curious.

Hey, I thought you were banned a long time ago in some bullshit move by a powermad mod. Good to see you again.

Sauraman was killed eventually. I guess initially, he was just stripped of his power, but he wound up dead when he tried to take over the shire and frodo, merry, and pippin came back home and whipped him.

I really hope they make a movie out of the razing of the shire. I understand why it was left out of the original trilogy, but it's worth a movie of it's own. They could also probably work in some stuff with Tom Bombadil since he lives like right next door. I don't think Jackson would be a good choice to do it though. As much as I like what he's done so far, the razing of the shire and Tom Bombadil stories are much lighter. I'm afraid if he did it, he would add orcs and elves an shit.

Muligan · Jan 3, 2015

Gavinmad · Jan 3, 2015

Hoss_sl said:
Hey, I thought you were banned a long time ago in some bullshit move by a powermad mod. Good to see you again.

Sauraman was killed eventually. I guess initially, he was just stripped of his power, but he wound up dead when he tried to take over the shire and frodo, merry, and pippin came back home and whipped him.

I really hope they make a movie out of the razing of the shire. I understand why it was left out of the original trilogy, but it's worth a movie of it's own. They could also probably work in some stuff with Tom Bombadil since he lives like right next door. I don't think Jackson would be a good choice to do it though. As much as I like what he's done so far, the razing of the shire and Tom Bombadil stories are much lighter. I'm afraid if he did it, he would add orcs and elves an shit.

It wouldn't really work since as Muligan posted, Saruman dies in Isengard in the extended edition.

Aychamo BanBan · Jan 3, 2015

Hoss_sl said:
Hey, I thought you were banned a long time ago in some bullshit move by a powermad mod. Good to see you again.

Sauraman was killed eventually. I guess initially, he was just stripped of his power, but he wound up dead when he tried to take over the shire and frodo, merry, and pippin came back home and whipped him.

I really hope they make a movie out of the razing of the shire. I understand why it was left out of the original trilogy, but it's worth a movie of it's own. They could also probably work in some stuff with Tom Bombadil since he lives like right next door. I don't think Jackson would be a good choice to do it though. As much as I like what he's done so far, the razing of the shire and Tom Bombadil stories are much lighter. I'm afraid if he did it, he would add orcs and elves an shit.

Yes sir I was banned for a while or suspended. Not sure. But it got removed at some point.

Thank you for the info. And I agree that was one of my favorite parts of the book, how the hobbits came back all war educated and merry and pippin a little taller, and they just beat down the ravagers (ruffians?). And I agree about PJ. He already razed the Hobbit haha!

Feanor · Jan 4, 2015

Muligan_sl said:
Sorry the One Ring of Michael Bay to rule all others has corrupted me and PJ. Cannot resist the precious. Sorry I must beat you up and make sure the precious gets what the precious demands.

Seriously though.. I laughed quite a bit when I read that. If that title ever comes to fruition, we will know that all hope is lost in the industry.

It's actually a catchy name!

Haven't seen the EEs in years, so I don't remember a lot of the extra footage stuff. There was the Fangorn bit in Two Towers, Saruman's death (Theoden actor is badass), the Mouth of Sauron... I thought he was gonna stroll out during that part when I saw Rotk for the first time, but nope. So it was cool they added him. Mouth looks a lot like the Rankin Bass version too, albeit far more awesome

The best thing (among many things) PJ brought to LOTR was the world. He realized the shit out of that world. Gotta give him props for that.

Gavinmad · Jan 4, 2015

The main thing I have to thank the Hobbit for was making realize how fucking epic Erebor was supposed to be. I first read the Hobbit when I was quite young, and I had a vision of the Lonely Mountain being some kind of one and done dragon slaying dungeon, not something you spend half a DnD campaign in.

I really was blown away by pre-Smaug Erebor.

Creslin · Jan 4, 2015

Who cares that sarumon dies in the EE that only nerds saw. The nerds who saw it probably also read the book and know it was different there. The shire part of the book was great for the character progression of Frodo and Sam. And ya PJ should not be allowed near it because he would hamfist the character progression and add like a massive army of orcas. Fill it out with a bit of Aragorn as king cut away and backstory on the last of the elves leaving and maybe a 10 minutes of Tom bombadil as comic relief and you have a movie.

Also film 10 extra minutes for two towers EE without sarumon dying and 10 extra minutes EE with Tom in fellowship and rerelease the DVD sets and rake in a ton of bonus cash.

Royal · Jan 4, 2015

Yeah they can call it "The Lord of the Rings Trilogy - Special Edition".

Muligan · Jan 4, 2015

Feanor_sl said:
It's actually a catchy name!

Haven't seen the EEs in years, so I don't remember a lot of the extra footage stuff. There was the Fangorn bit in Two Towers, Saruman's death (Theoden actor is badass), the Mouth of Sauron... I thought he was gonna stroll out during that part when I saw Rotk for the first time, but nope. So it was cool they added him. Mouth looks a lot like the Rankin Bass version too, albeit far more awesome

The best thing (among many things) PJ brought to LOTR was the world. He realized the shit out of that world. Gotta give him props for that.

The Mouth of Sauron was awesome and I cannot believe they cut it. PJ's reasoning for cutting it was due to knowing Frodo and Sam's fate. He said it took away from the deception of the Mouth of Sauron and made him somewhat pointless. I'd say who cares... He's making a movie based on books decades old so there are going to be plenty of people who know the story. Put the freaking cool stuff in. I like the EE's a lot better than the theatrical cuts.

Chris · Jan 4, 2015

Have Minas Morgul -> Shelob -> Cirith Ungol instead of Faramir/Osgiliath shit in Two Towers, exactly like the books.

Don't have Frodo on the movie posters or show up for half of Return of the King. Everyone thinks he is dead for a year (Snape kills Dumbledore got away with it for the movie).

You'd have to move the Mouth of Sauron to showing up at Minas Tirith instead because the books are not in chronological order, but then that could be pretty epic having him taunt Denethor and Pippin with the shirt then beg for peace at the end (Aragorn still beheads him).

Jysin · Jan 4, 2015

Chris_sl said:
Have Minas Morgul -> Shelob -> Cirith Ungol instead of Faramir/Osgiliath shit in Two Towers, exactly like the books.

Don't have Frodo on the movie posters or show up for half of Return of the King. Everyone thinks he is dead for a year (Snape kills Dumbledore got away with it for the movie).

You'd have to move the Mouth of Sauron to showing up at Minas Tirith instead because the books are not in chronological order, but then that could be pretty epic having him taunt Denethor and Pippin with the shirt then beg for peace at the end (Aragorn still beheads him).

There's no way the internet trolls in today's day and age wouldn't spoil the shit out of the fact "Frodo lives"! Funny you mention the Snape ko DD from HP. Even back then, you had videos of people spoiling nerds in line for the books. One in particular was a video posted of someone driving by the line of people outside a Barnes & Noble (or whatever store it was) and yelling "Snape kills Dumbledore!" and a bunch of angry kids / parents yelling as they drove off laughing. Hell, on FoH it was spoiled for me by some gigantic dildo making a thread title in all caps "SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE ON PAGE 5xx!". A thread title.. not within thread or in a spoiler tag, the thread title.

The era of mega cliffhangers is over.. we live in the troll age.

Chris · Jan 4, 2015

Oh yeah it happened, but it was still a twist in the movie which I'm sure most non book people didn't know about.

They could always end the scene with Sam putting on the ring to rescue him, which is still a big cliffhanger but more immune to trolls. In fact I think this is what the book did?

Creslin · Jan 4, 2015

Ya the choices of master samwise was an awesome last chapter. You do end with the orcs saying Frodo is alive but he isn't rescued.

Aychamo BanBan · Jan 4, 2015

Gavinmad_sl said:
The main thing I have to thank the Hobbit for was making realize how fucking epic Erebor was supposed to be. I first read the Hobbit when I was quite young, and I had a vision of the Lonely Mountain being some kind of one and done dragon slaying dungeon, not something you spend half a DnD campaign in.

I really was blown away by pre-Smaug Erebor.

I know it's ultra lame of me, but at the end of the 3rd hobbit movie, Thorin was saying how they were going to have a feast, etc. Where would they get food? You sure as fuck aren't growing anything in cave besides mold, and there wasn't exactly a lot of wildlife around besides a few crows or ravens or whatever bird fits in with the book best.

But yeah, they made it huge and epic. Kinda reminded me of Sebilis.

Haus · Jan 4, 2015

Saw this with my wife the other night and it's to the point that I know that games from AD&D to WoW and everything in the high fantasy genre blatantly stole from the Tolkien source material. But seeing her have those sudden pops of realization of "so that's why orcs are associated with riding wolves.." and seeing the "made for movie" version of Ironforge was entertaining.

As for the movies, the whole trilogy for me was good but not great. Didn't appreciate how they took the last 30 minutes of the movie to draw out every possible second of kicking the viewer in the feels, but that's how the story goes.

etchazz · Jan 4, 2015

Jysin_sl said:
There's no way the internet trolls in today's day and age wouldn't spoil the shit out of the fact "Frodo lives"! Funny you mention the Snape ko DD from HP. Even back then, you had videos of people spoiling nerds in line for the books. One in particular was a video posted of someone driving by the line of people outside a Barnes & Noble (or whatever store it was) and yelling "Snape kills Dumbledore!" and a bunch of angry kids / parents yelling as they drove off laughing. Hell, on FoH it was spoiled for me by some gigantic dildo making a thread title in all caps "SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE ON PAGE 5xx!". A thread title.. not within thread or in a spoiler tag, the thread title.

The era of mega cliffhangers is over.. we live in the troll age.

There are a fuck ton of movies where people already know what's going to happen based on a book or because it's a true story. Doesn't mean you should deviate from the source material. Think everyone knew the Titanic was going to sink, for example.

Hoss · Jan 5, 2015

etchazz_sl said:
There are a fuck ton of movies where people already know what's going to happen based on a book or because it's a true story. Doesn't mean you should deviate from the source material. Think everyone knew the Titanic was going to sink, for example.

Thanks motherfucker, I haven't seen titanic yet!

j00t · Jan 5, 2015

etchazz_sl said:
There are a fuck ton of movies where people already know what's going to happen based on a book or because it's a true story. Doesn't mean you should deviate from the source material. Think everyone knew the Titanic was going to sink, for example.

As an aside, I was student teaching for a while. The English teacher brought up how when titanic came out, about 80% of the high school he was at had no idea titanic was a real ship.

Dyvim · Jan 5, 2015

Its still a real ship. But whatever floats your boat.

j00t · Jan 5, 2015

My point was that even the obvious, "everyone knows the titanic sinks" argument isn't all that valid because not everyone knows the titanic actually sunk

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