The Matrix (1999)

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Fuck it, I'll just post it again so people don't have to go back to an 11 year old post.

Lithose from 2013 said:
Two wasn't so terrible, but three ended up ruining it. Two seemed like they were on the road to an Asimov paradox--as in, what would a perfectly logical machine do, when given an order to protect humans but then seeing the greatest threat to human life, is other humans. And also maybe attempt to explain how man could have created "God" and why god would be flawed, even if all powerful.

The reason it looked like there were undertones of this in two was because there was a small scene in Zion, where a council member comes out and Neo is talking about how they need to destroy all machines (Ect) and the council member says "Oh? What about the machines that clean our garbage, or process our water--we'd die without them." And Neo says "We can destroy them if we want, we're in control." And the council member just shakes his head and admonishes him for associating destruction with control/reality (Typical human behavior). You almost had the sense like the council was actually made up of machines, who were trying to "teach" Neo about how fragile humans are and how machines are protecting them. Later, when Neo destroyed that machine in the real world, it seemed to reaffirm that Neo was, indeed in another level of the Matrix.

I thought three was going to reveal that the sky was blackened by mankind actually warring with itself. And at the last moment, when man was dying, the machines rose up, disarmed us and put us into the matrix. Within the matrix, we could have our violence and competition but they could ensure we would live--when someone dies in the matrix, they are simply "reset" with a new life (Hence some people feeling like they had past lives, or why some people die young--they actually had an old body in the real world from being reset.)...When the machines realized some humans wouldn't accept this, they created "The One" algorithm to collect all the dissidents, and being the loyal servants they are, made themselves the bad guys in a deeper level of the Matrix, allowing the humans to come together and focus their hate on their loyal machines, rather than each other.

At the end of the movie, we'd see Neo start to understand this, and realize the machines, while in control of everything and virtually omnipotent, have only ever cared about protecting humanity (And Humanities free will, allowing it to exist in a way that doesn't end humanity). This would effectively make the machines God and explain the conundrum of a benevolent God, allowing horrible things to happen, because God was created by man, for man. Neo then decided to become new Jesus, an entity given up by God to "open heaven", by Neo dying it cleans up all that "choice" code that was corrupt, and everyone can return to the Matrix--which is really man's "heaven", a place where he can be violent and safe at the same time.
 
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Anything that revolves around "matrix within a matrix" plots are dumb. It's been a hallmark of dumb people who think they're smart for 25 years now.
 
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Kids still love the Phantom Menace. That movie was smarter than any of us want to give it credit for too. For all the faults (mostly dialogue/acting problems, not plot or theme problems) of Eps 1+2, combined they create a story full of goofy, kid-friendly characters about how easily complacent societies can fall into fascism.
i didnt think kids liked Star Wars at all. we are talking about actual children, right? cuz those creepy adult children crying over Star Wars trailers dont count.
 
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Anything that revolves around "matrix within a matrix" plots are dumb. It's been a hallmark of dumb people who think they're smart for 25 years now.

I'll take my group of dumb, real life, successful friends who all decided that the Matrix in a Matrix was the only logical way to explain a computer program entering a guys brain and the hero using magic lightning over a loser with no family/friends whose only consolation prize in life is to make sure she reminds everyone how smart she is.
 
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Kids still love the Phantom Menace. That movie was smarter than any of us want to give it credit for too. For all the faults (mostly dialogue/acting problems, not plot or theme problems) of Eps 1+2, combined they create a story full of goofy, kid-friendly characters about how easily complacent societies can fall into fascism.
The problem was the phantom menace seemed to be setting jar jar up as the ultimate bad guy but the character was just so stupid and poorly received. Especially once the libtards started calling it a racist stereotype of a jamaican, Lucas scrapped the whole plan and brought out useless count dooku from left field with no emotional set up or payoff. Darth Jar Jar would have been 100x better.
 

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The problem was the phantom menace seemed to be setting jar jar up as the ultimate bad guy but the character was just so stupid and poorly received. Especially once the libtards started calling it a racist stereotype of a jamaican, Lucas scrapped the whole plan and brought out useless count dooku from left field with no emotional set up or payoff. Darth Jar Jar would have been 100x better.

Bro, you obviously missed how great a movie it was for kids. I'm sure the riveting conversations about the Trade Federation's economic blockade of Naboo and how two retarded Jedi are sent in as negotiators sure did set those kids up for a lifelong love of politics. Also, you're low IQ if you think otherwise.
 
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The problem was the phantom menace seemed to be setting jar jar up as the ultimate bad guy but the character was just so stupid and poorly received. Especially once the libtards started calling it a racist stereotype of a jamaican, Lucas scrapped the whole plan and brought out useless count dooku from left field with no emotional set up or payoff. Darth Jar Jar would have been 100x better.
Darth Jar Jar would have been amazing as a meme, still one of my favorite fan theories of all time, but having that idiot be the gullible retard that grants Palpatine the emergency powers he needs to become Space Hilter was almost as clever.
 

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The problem was the phantom menace seemed to be setting jar jar up as the ultimate bad guy but the character was just so stupid and poorly received. Especially once the libtards started calling it a racist stereotype of a jamaican, Lucas scrapped the whole plan and brought out useless count dooku from left field with no emotional set up or payoff. Darth Jar Jar would have been 100x better.
Darth JarJar wouldnt have made much sense as they would have sensed his force sensitivity and way too convenient that the one person they picked was evil and a Sith. nah. Jarjar was just a bumbling fucktard Lucas added to sell toys. he doesnt appear in the OT either.
 

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Darth Jar Jar would have been amazing as a meme, still one of my favorite fan theories of all time, but having that idiot be the gullible retard that grants Palpatine the emergency powers he needs to become Space Hilter was almost as clever.
It really does make perfect sense that was the original plot and was changed after all the backlash. People hated the jar jar character with a vengeance.

 

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Anything that revolves around "matrix within a matrix" plots are dumb. It's been a hallmark of dumb people who think they're smart for 25 years now.
You being one of the leading experts on dumb people who think they're smart. While matrix within a matrix has a lot of issues it's still the best explanation for why flesh Neo can stop sentinels and Smith can hijack a human body.
 
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Kids still love the Phantom Menace. That movie was smarter than any of us want to give it credit for too. For all the faults (mostly dialogue/acting problems, not plot or theme problems) of Eps 1+2, combined they create a story full of goofy, kid-friendly characters about how easily complacent societies can fall into fascism.

What fascism are you talking about Mist Mist ?
 

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Anything that revolves around "matrix within a matrix" plots are dumb. It's been a hallmark of dumb people who think they're smart for 25 years now.
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The absolute, only literal explanation for Neo having abilities in the "real" world is a matrix within the matrix. Full stop. The entire rest of the world is played straight up with no evidence of the supernatural. It changes the complexion of the movies so severely as to make everything else that happens before it meaningless.
 
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Sentinels are just embodied software entities.

Personalities are just memes. Your shallow persona has been overwritten by bad memes from a shitty internet forum, so you should understand this.
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The absolute, only literal explanation for Neo having abilities in the "real" world is a matrix within the matrix. Full stop. The entire rest of the world is played straight up with no evidence of the supernatural. It changes the complexion of the movies so severely as to make everything else that happens before it meaningless.

Bruh, do you even 40k? He's the physical manifestation of the Machine God. He is the Omnissiah. I'll also accept Jesus2.0 with some Arthurian legend glitter sprinkled on top.
 
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Bruh, do you even 40k? He's the physical manifestation of the Machine God. He is the Omnissiah. I'll also accept Jesus2.0 with some Arthurian legend glitter sprinkled on top.
The One is literally born with some of The Source's source code in him, so he can eventually restart the Matrix. That he can turn off a few sentinels with Wi-Fi powers is not that weird once this premise is revealed. Since The One's birth is both preordained and mandated as part of the Machines' cycle, why wouldn't he be born with a little 5G chip in him somewhere?

The reason Lithose's explanation sucks, and the actual movie plot (if not entirely the execution) works is that the entire series' theme is about breaking the cycle, not accepting the cycle.
 

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Bruh, do you even 40k? He's the physical manifestation of the Machine God. He is the Omnissiah. I'll also accept Jesus2.0 with some Arthurian legend glitter sprinkled on top.
Yeah, Revolutions was a pure Jesus/Biblical allegory for me. Especially the whole ending sequence with Smith/Machine City. Hell, even the imagery right before that is clearly a "parting of the red sea" moment, right before they fly above the clouds(which itself also seems to paint parallels to "heaven").
 

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Yeah, Revolutions was a pure Jesus/Biblical allegory for me. Especially the whole ending sequence with Smith/Machine City. Hell, even the imagery right before that is clearly a "parting of the red sea" moment, right before they fly above the clouds(which itself also seems to paint parallels to "heaven").
O RLY? One thing about this series, it's not supposed to be even slightly subtle.