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Malakriss

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There must be a memo somewhere instructing everyone to replace the previous "no comment" terminology with "terror(ist)!" for any explanation.
 

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Job security trumps your rights. 90% of what the government does in this day and age is literally nothing more than a jobs program. Its so big and so connected policy is dictated not by its rational merit, but by the bottom line impact.

You think the people who work in prisons, make supplies/goods prisons use want to see the war or drugs end?
 

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Job security trumps your rights. 90% of what the government does in this day and age is literally nothing more than a jobs program. Its so big and so connected policy is dictated not by its rational merit, but by the bottom line impact.

You think the people who work in prisons, make supplies/goods prisons use want to see the war or drugs end?
In the US? Yes. In fact, I know that they do. I used to be one of them. Corrections workers have the same opinions as the general population.

No one wants the laws we have right now. They're absolutely insane. We're punishing people with health problems. Drug addiction should be treated in a hospital not in a Prison.
 

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In the US? Yes. In fact, I know that they do. I used to be one of them. Corrections workers have the same opinions as the general population.

No one wants the laws we have right now. They're absolutely insane. We're punishing people with health problems. Drug addiction should be treated in a hospital not in a Prison.
yeah then why have I read about prison guard unions spending money to lobby to do things like keep 3 strike laws on the books, or keep marijuana a criminal offense?

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California Prison Guards Union Pushes For Prison Expansion

Union Of the Snake: How California's Prison Guards Subvert Democracy - Mic

The Price of Prison Guard UnionsCapital Research Center

Prison Guards Union Locks Up Benefits, Politicians, People - Hit Run : Reason.com

The Top Five Special Interest Groups Lobbying To Keep Marijuana Illegal |
 

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- The FBI is operating a small air force with scores of low-flying planes across the country carrying video and, at times, cellphone surveillance technology - all hidden behind fictitious companies that are fronts for the government, The Associated Press has learned.

The planes' surveillance equipment is generally used without a judge's approval, and the FBI said the flights are used for specific, ongoing investigations. The FBI said it uses front companies to protect the safety of the pilots and aircraft. It also shields the identity of the aircraft so that suspects on the ground don't know they're being watched by the FBI.

In a recent 30-day period, the agency flew above more than 30 cities in 11 states across the country, an AP review found.

Aerial surveillance represents a changing frontier for law enforcement, providing what the government maintains is an important tool in criminal, terrorism or intelligence probes. But the program raises questions about whether there should be updated policies protecting civil liberties as new technologies pose intrusive opportunities for government spying.

U.S. law enforcement officials confirmed for the first time the wide-scale use of the aircraft, which the AP traced to at least 13 fake companies, such as FVX Research, KQM Aviation, NBR Aviation and PXW Services.

Even basic aspects of the program are withheld from the public in censored versions of official reports from the Justice Department's inspector general.

The FBI also has been careful not to reveal its surveillance flights in court documents.

"The FBI's aviation program is not secret," spokesman Christopher Allen said in a statement. "Specific aircraft and their capabilities are protected for operational security purposes." Allen added that the FBI's planes "are not equipped, designed or used for bulk collection activities or mass surveillance."

But the planes can capture video of unrelated criminal activity on the ground that could be handed over for prosecutions.

Some of the aircraft can also be equipped with technology that can identify thousands of people below through the cellphones they carry, even if they're not making a call or in public. Officials said that practice, which mimics cell towers and gets phones to reveal basic subscriber information, is rare.

Details confirmed by the FBI track closely with published reports since at least 2003 that a government surveillance program might be behind suspicious-looking planes slowly circling neighborhoods. The AP traced at least 50 aircraft back to the FBI, and identified more than 100 flights since late April orbiting both major cities and rural areas.

One of the planes, photographed in flight last week by the AP in northern Virginia, bristled with unusual antennas under its fuselage and a camera on its left side. A federal budget document from 2010 mentioned at least 115 planes, including 90 Cessna aircraft, in the FBI's surveillance fleet.

The FBI also occasionally helps local police with aerial support, such as during the recent disturbance in Baltimore that followed the death of 25-year-old Freddie Gray, who sustained grievous injuries while in police custody. Those types of requests are reviewed by senior FBI officials.

The surveillance flights comply with agency rules, an FBI spokesman said. Those rules, which are heavily redacted in publicly available documents, limit the types of equipment the agency can use, as well as the justifications and duration of the surveillance.

Details about the flights come as the Justice Department seeks to navigate privacy concerns arising from aerial surveillance by unmanned aircrafts, or drones. President Barack Obama has said he welcomes a debate on government surveillance, and has called for more transparency about spying in the wake of disclosures about classified programs.

"These are not your grandparents' surveillance aircraft," said Jay Stanley, a senior policy analyst with the American Civil Liberties Union, calling the flights significant "if the federal government is maintaining a fleet of aircraft whose purpose is to circle over American cities, especially with the technology we know can be attached to those aircraft."

During the past few weeks, the AP tracked planes from the FBI's fleet on more than 100 flights over at least 11 states plus the District of Columbia, most with Cessna 182T Skylane aircraft. These included parts of Houston, Phoenix, Seattle, Chicago, Boston, Minneapolis and Southern California.

Evolving technology can record higher-quality video from long distances, even at night, and can capture certain identifying information from cellphones using a device known as a "cell-site simulator" - or Stingray, to use one of the product's brand names. These can trick pinpointed cellphones into revealing identification numbers of subscribers, including those not suspected of a crime.

Officials say cellphone surveillance is rare, although the AP found in recent weeks FBI flights orbiting large, enclosed buildings for extended periods where aerial photography would be less effective than electronic signals collection. Those included above Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport and the Mall of America in Bloomington, Minnesota.

After The Washington Post revealed flights by two planes circling over Baltimore in early May, the AP began analyzing detailed flight data and aircraft-ownership registrations that shared similar addresses and flight patterns. That review found some FBI missions circled above at least 40,000 residents during a single flight over Anaheim, California, in late May, according to Census data and records provided by the website FlightRadar24.com.

Most flight patterns occurred in counter-clockwise orbits up to several miles wide and roughly one mile above the ground at slow speeds. A 2003 newsletter from the company FLIR Systems Inc., which makes camera technology such as seen on the planes, described flying slowly in left-handed patterns.

"Aircraft surveillance has become an indispensable intelligence collection and investigative technique which serves as a force multiplier to the ground teams," the FBI said in 2009 when it asked Congress for $5.1 million for the program.

Recently, independent journalists and websites have cited companies traced to post office boxes in Virginia, including one shared with the Justice Department. The AP analyzed similar data since early May, while also drawing upon aircraft registration documents, business records and interviews with U.S. officials to understand the scope of the operations.

The FBI asked the AP not to disclose the names of the fake companies it uncovered, saying that would saddle taxpayers with the expense of creating new cover companies to shield the government's involvement, and could endanger the planes and integrity of the surveillance missions. The AP declined the FBI's request because the companies' names - as well as common addresses linked to the Justice Department - are listed on public documents and in government databases.

At least 13 front companies that AP identified being actively used by the FBI are registered to post office boxes in Bristow, Virginia, which is near a regional airport used for private and charter flights. Only one of them appears in state business records.

Included on most aircraft registrations is a mysterious name, Robert Lindley. He is listed as chief executive and has at least three distinct signatures among the companies. Two documents include a signature for Robert Taylor, which is strikingly similar to one of Lindley's three handwriting patterns.

The FBI would not say whether Lindley is a U.S. government employee. The AP unsuccessfully tried to reach Lindley at phone numbers registered to people of the same name in the Washington area since Monday.

Law enforcement officials said Justice Department lawyers approved the decision to create fictitious companies to protect the flights' operational security and that the Federal Aviation Administration was aware of the practice. One of the Lindley-headed companies shares a post office box openly used by the Justice Department.

Such elusive practices have endured for decades. A 1990 report by the then-General Accounting Office noted that, in July 1988, the FBI had moved its "headquarters-operated" aircraft into a company that wasn't publicly linked to the bureau.

The FBI does not generally obtain warrants to record video from its planes of people moving outside in the open, but it also said that under a new policy it has recently begun obtaining court orders to use cell-site simulators. The Obama administration had until recently been directing local authorities through secret agreements not to reveal their own use of the devices, even encouraging prosecutors to drop cases rather than disclose the technology's use in open court.
A Justice Department memo last month also expressly barred its component law enforcement agencies from using unmanned drones "solely for the purpose of monitoring activities protected by the First Amendment" and said they are to be used only in connection with authorized investigations and activities. A department spokeswoman said the policy applied only to unmanned aircraft systems rather than piloted airplanes.
 

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Creating a fictitious company for the purpose of hiding physical assets sounds a lot like fraud to me. These people need to be killed.
 

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So the interesting practical and legal aspect of drones is that generally anything in 'plain view' is considered recordable (not necessarily audio though), however historically humans have been rather earthbound meaning that walls and fences were enough to provide the illusion of privacy/security. I'm not even worried much about the government (they will do whatever they want) but the idea of private individuals with $100 drones with cameras is concerning. In the modern era, if drones and/or close to ground level travel of some kind becomes commonplace, would that mean the expectation of privacy from a fence is none and everyone in a suburb/city should put up shades over their property if they don't want it recorded by anyone and everyone?

My first thought is what is the right of property owners to destroy drones? They are quickly becoming cheap enough to be pests. United States v. Causby establishes governmental restrictions and I would agree anything 500+ feet above the ground is just federal airspace so in some respects 'too bad', however who do you call if a drone is inyourairspace? Would you be cited under federal statutes or some terrible criminal act for destroying an aircraft? What if it is in your neighbor's yard 20 feet up looking into yours? Is it considered trespassing if you yourself never go over there? Is there an element of 'human control' between throwing a ball onto someone's property vs. flying a drone? What about automated drones?

I don't really think I'll ever be in a position to have to kill a person or an animal on my property, but I can very well see in a few years where some douche is using a $20 drone he bought off Amazon to harass/annoy/videotape where I would definitely consider shooting it down. Maybe not even with a gun, just hitting it with a pool net or something.

TL;DR: I'm not really worried about what the people with hundreds of satellites are doing so much as cheap drones in the hands of private citizens with archaic legal protections that basically destroy thousands of years of the 'fence' being a basic privacy tool.
 

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Don't forget the cases of paparazzi with telescopic lenses taking camera shots of private residences from way off. There is going to be a huge market in localized EM interference devices in the future, but it isn't going to be targeted at aircraft but those small drones and other annoyances your neighbor/stalker uses.
 

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You can build an array of camera zappers. The hurdle to them being an acceptable counter to surveillance will probably be that they be benign to humans, and pointing a laser at someone's eye is anything but. Perhaps there is a goldilocks zone of wavelength that doesn't affect us but tackles digital cameras.

I began by aiming an inexpensive laser pointer directly into the lens of a video camera. The results were striking. The tiny beam neutralized regions of the camera sensor far larger than the actual size of the beam. Properly aimed, it could block a far-away camera from seeing anything inside of a large window.
Camera Zapper

As this guy points out, you could do it very cheap with visible light and over-the-counter hardware, but there isn't any software for it atm, and pointing lasers at people can be illegal.
 

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Palum, I would guess that the law would be woefully behind. But an airsoft gun, or bbgun would put paid pretty quick. Or string up some fishing wire near a target location. (Daughters window) You could even go the geek route and build a jammer but that might get the NSA mad at you.

With analog signals for the fpv cameras too the people flying them can stick out like a sore thumb as well. Antennas, and noisy ass signals, make tracking them on a small scale pretty easy.
 

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We have pics of palum's daughter? Is she stalk-worthy?
 

Palum

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I don't even have kids so probably as stalk worthy as your imagination makes her. Not sure where that came from?
 

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I don't even have kids so probably as stalk worthy as your imagination makes her. Not sure where that came from?
noice. I have a great imagination. BRB. You can name your imaginary grandkids after yourself if you want. I won't care, I won't be around to raise them.
 

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The only surprise is that they didn't do it in secret.