The Paranormal, UFO's, and Mysteries of the Unknown

Chukzombi · Mar 22, 2021

Frmr U.S. Intel Chief Reveals UFOs That "Engage in Actions Difficult to Explain... That We Don’t Have the Tech For." » The National Pulse+

Former National Intelligence Director John Ratcliffe has revealed that there has been a high number of UFO sightings including movements that “are hard to replicate” with American technology. The news first broke during Ratcliffe’s appearance on Fox News, where he detailed: “Frankly, there are a...

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The news first broke during Ratcliffe’s appearance on Fox News, where he detailed:

“Frankly, there are a lot more sightings than have been made public…”

“Some of those have been declassified. And when we talk about sightings, we are talking about objects that have been seen by navy or air force pilots, or have been picked up by satellite imagery, that frankly engage in actions that are difficult to explain, movements that are hard to replicate, that we don’t have the technology for.

“Or traveling at speeds that exceed the sound barrier without a sonic boom.”

A new report, due out in June, is expected to shed more light on the phenomena.

“We always look for a plausible application,” Ratcliffe noted. “Sometimes we wonder whether our adversaries have technologies that are a little but farther down the road than we thought or that we realized.

“I actually wanted to get this information out and declassify it before I left office,” Ratcliffe added, “but we weren’t able to get it down into an unclassified format that we were able to talk about quickly enough.”

Brad2770 · Mar 22, 2021

Yeah, heard that on Bongino today. Came here for MFF input.

Chukzombi · Mar 22, 2021

Brad2770 said:
Yeah, heard that on Bongino today. Came here for MFF input.

it still could be a natural phenomena, it doesnt have to mean that ET is trolling the Earth. i always imagine the visiting alien from Douglas Adams's Hitchhiker's series of books. UFO sighting. haha dude must have picked another human to tell how pathetic they are.

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Chukzombi · Mar 22, 2021

Chris · Mar 22, 2021

Rajaah said:
This is the best evidence I've seen for the "modern humans came here from another planet" idea. Or some modern humans, anyway. See: Xenogears and stories like that.

It's an interesting idea since we're so different from most of the planet. That we were put here, or fled here from somewhere else (Martian nuclear war? Venusian greenhouse effect? The destruction of the 5th planet?)

The main issue is the timeline. Humans appeared well after any of those events supposedly happened. Like hundreds of millions of years after. They could have all been nice, hospitable planets in the past, but you've got a big leap between those planets going south and humans appearing here.

Regardless, it's an interesting theory. Biggest questions for me are, where are the ships we came here in, and what happened to whatever language/history we had? Dunno about the ships, but I think our history just vanished into fables after a couple of generations. Some of it probably became the basis for religions. For example, Noah's Ark may have been a planetary rescue ship.

All of that said, this super-early language being found all over the world, from a point in time when most humans weren't advanced enough for language and couldn't travel the world, seems like an indicator to me that they came from elsewhere and landed all over the world. Their language didn't last through the generations, but it was uniform between all of these different groups around the world.

Maybe these advanced people, as their numbers dwindled, mated with the primitive early humans here to create modern humans. Who knows. It's all interesting to chew on.

Is it so unbelivable that a primitive writing system developed in Africa before humanity spread around the world?

Do you really think that alien colonisation is more credible than an early, common writing system which spread?

Chukzombi · Mar 22, 2021

Chris said:
Is it so unbelivable that a primitive writing system developed in Africa before humanity spread around the world?

Do you really think that alien colonisation is more credible than an early, common writing system which spread?

in Africa, yes. the majority of those ancient symbols originate in Europe.

Rajaah · Mar 23, 2021

I assume most people here know this already: The out-of-Africa theory seems to be bunk at this point since modern human fossils have been found in Europe that easily pre-date the earliest modern human fossils in Africa by like half a million years or more.

Regardless of where people come from originally, I find it hard to believe that humans tens of thousands of years ago who were organized enough to have a standardized alphabet of some sort were able to spread it all over the world without boats. It's actually easier to believe that they were dropped all over the world and brought the language with them from elsewhere. Thing is though, we really know very very little about our own past. So who knows. It's possible these early humans with this language were able to spread all over the world via land bridges, or something along those lines.

The extraterrestrial theory is more fun, of course. Think of it this way: If we develop space-travel and send a bunch of ships to a nearby candidate planet to establish colonies there, we'll end up with a very similar situation to what we're talking about here. There'll be a bunch of colonies established all over the candidate world, and people in those colonies will be using the modern languages of Earth. However over the generations their languages will change, maybe natural disasters will bury their civilizations and they'll have to start over, who knows. And then at some later date 50,000+ years later, their archaeologist descendants will find their ancient standardized language showing up in dig sites all over that planet, the dig sites being the initial colonies that were established. Then, having no idea how their race arrived on that planet, they'll spend time theorizing about how ancient people had a language so early and how they were able to spread it to all of these diffuse locations.

As for the rest of this thread, at this point there's almost no question UFOs are a thing, since the military has confirmed all of the things we've been seeing with our own eyes for years. The speeds and maneuvers done by these craft are not possible without a technology level beyond ours. My question now isn't whether UFO sightings are real or not, but whether the government has been able to capture any of them yet. Was there something to the Roswell story? Is that part of why computer technology advanced at such a rapid pace in the decades after that? I'm inclined to say no, we've never captured a craft, or at least an intact one. I don't think we even have any way to do that. These things are seen firsthand by the military once in a blue moon and it isn't like we can set up a sting operation with a giant net.

Chukzombi · Mar 23, 2021

Rajaah said:
I assume most people here know this already: The out-of-Africa theory seems to be bunk at this point since modern human fossils have been found in Europe that easily pre-date the earliest modern human fossils in Africa by like half a million years or more.

Regardless of where people come from originally, I find it hard to believe that humans tens of thousands of years ago who were organized enough to have a standardized alphabet of some sort were able to spread it all over the world without boats. It's actually easier to believe that they were dropped all over the world and brought the language with them from elsewhere. Thing is though, we really know very very little about our own past. So who knows. It's possible these early humans with this language were able to spread all over the world via land bridges, or something along those lines.

The extraterrestrial theory is more fun, of course. Think of it this way: If we develop space-travel and send a bunch of ships to a nearby candidate planet to establish colonies there, we'll end up with a very similar situation to what we're talking about here. There'll be a bunch of colonies established all over the candidate world, and people in those colonies will be using the modern languages of Earth. However over the generations their languages will change, maybe natural disasters will bury their civilizations and they'll have to start over, who knows. And then at some later date 50,000+ years later, their archaeologist descendants will find their ancient standardized language showing up in dig sites all over that planet, the dig sites being the initial colonies that were established. Then, having no idea how their race arrived on that planet, they'll spend time theorizing about how ancient people had a language so early and how they were able to spread it to all of these diffuse locations.

As for the rest of this thread, at this point there's almost no question UFOs are a thing, since the military has confirmed all of the things we've been seeing with our own eyes for years. The speeds and maneuvers done by these craft are not possible without a technology level beyond ours. My question now isn't whether UFO sightings are real or not, but whether the government has been able to capture any of them yet. Was there something to the Roswell story? Is that part of why computer technology advanced at such a rapid pace in the decades after that? I'm inclined to say no, we've never captured a craft, or at least an intact one. I don't think we even have any way to do that. These things are seen firsthand by the military once in a blue moon and it isn't like we can set up a sting operation with a giant net.

craft implies there is somebody steering it around. from the reports ive seen, these anamolies seem to move at such hard angles that gravity alone would turn any ET into jello pudding in seconds, earliest known boats date back 10,000 years. which is right in line with some of those symbols spreading globally.. there was also ice sheets. one which may have spanned the length of the Pacific ocean. so hunters could just walk along the shoreline killing game or fishing from one continent to the other. none of these theories involve otherworldly entities giving free ferry rides.

Brad · Mar 23, 2021

Chukzombi said:
from the reports ive seen, these anamolies seem to move at such hard angles that gravity alone would turn any ET into jello pudding in seconds

The trick to that problem is to control the geodesic line, if the craft can create a field that changes the geodesic line, it can go at right angles extremely fast and the craft and alien inside would not experience any force at all because it was just simply falling along the geodesic line.

Hard to believe but all the angles travelled by the craft going along the geodesic line is really just a straight line ( observed direction is just relative to the observer ) hence no G-Force and also the person inside would be in zero gravity.

LachiusTZ · Mar 23, 2021

Brad said:
The trick to that problem is to control the geodesic line, if the craft can create a field that changes the geodesic line, it can go at right angles extremely fast and the craft and alien inside would not experience any force at all because it was just simply falling along the geodesic line.

Hard to believe but all the angles travelled by the craft going along the geodesic line is really just a straight line ( observed direction is just relative to the observer ) hence no G-Force and also the person inside would be in zero gravity.

So... bend space? Lol

Brad · Mar 23, 2021

LachiusTZ said:
So... bend space? Lol

Yup

Which would also explain why there is no sonic boom

and some objects such as that cube sighted by a fighter pilot appearing to be inside a transculent sphere which really is just refracted light!

TJT · Mar 23, 2021

Rajaah said:
This is the best evidence I've seen for the "modern humans came here from another planet" idea. Or some modern humans, anyway. See: Xenogears and stories like that.

It's an interesting idea since we're so different from most of the planet. That we were put here, or fled here from somewhere else (Martian nuclear war? Venusian greenhouse effect? The destruction of the 5th planet?)

The main issue is the timeline. Humans appeared well after any of those events supposedly happened. Like hundreds of millions of years after. They could have all been nice, hospitable planets in the past, but you've got a big leap between those planets going south and humans appearing here.

Regardless, it's an interesting theory. Biggest questions for me are, where are the ships we came here in, and what happened to whatever language/history we had? Dunno about the ships, but I think our history just vanished into fables after a couple of generations. Some of it probably became the basis for religions. For example, Noah's Ark may have been a planetary rescue ship.

All of that said, this super-early language being found all over the world, from a point in time when most humans weren't advanced enough for language and couldn't travel the world, seems like an indicator to me that they came from elsewhere and landed all over the world. Their language didn't last through the generations, but it was uniform between all of these different groups around the world.

Maybe these advanced people, as their numbers dwindled, mated with the primitive early humans here to create modern humans. Who knows. It's all interesting to chew on.

Bro. This is Dr. Finkel a researcher in London. This project he talks about here discusses the flood myths of Mesopotamia. Dude can fluently read all the various cuneiform languages. In it he talks about the parallels of Noah to the Sumerian flood myth (read, nearly identical) and even contained the instructions on how to build a coracle boat (Coracle - Wikipedia). A fairly primitive vessel but one designed to carry a family and the things important to them, mostly livestock like sheep,goats, etc.

In his project they not only translated all of it and converted it to metric as best they could. They also built the stupid thing using the methods described.

Solidifying other research that places much of the Old Testament on the shoulders of previous Sumerian religions and folklore. Which should be fairly unsurprising as the Jews were originally slaves in Canaan (modern day Iraq/Syria area).

LachiusTZ · Mar 23, 2021

Brad said:
Yup Which would also explain why there is no sonic boom and some objects such as that cube sighted by a fighter pilot appearing to be inside a transculent sphere which really is just refracted light!

I think that requires negative energy or some other exotic shit.

Dunno if that is more or less likely than negating inertia

Brad · Mar 23, 2021

LachiusTZ said:
I think that requires negative energy or some other exotic shit.

Dunno if that is more or less likely than negating inertia

I cannot find it, but quite a few pages back someone posted a link to an article that explained how it can all be explained without breaking physics as currently known. It was a good read.

Whoever posted that, you know who you are, might want to post that link again? Few pages back, did not see LachiusTZ's avatar when scrolling so he might have missed that!

LachiusTZ · Mar 23, 2021

Brad said:
I cannot find it, but quite a few pages back someone posted a link to an article that explained how it can all be explained without breaking physics as currently known. It was a good read.

Whoever posted that, you know who you are, might want to post that link again? Few pages back, did not see LachiusTZ's avatar when scrolling so he might have missed that!

I've heard people talk about how it doesn't break the math it physics, but requires negative energy or some other exotic matter.

Maybe negative matter.

But in reality it's basically magic.

Would like to see if there is a newer theory out there

Chukzombi · Mar 23, 2021

Brad said:
The trick to that problem is to control the geodesic line, if the craft can create a field that changes the geodesic line, it can go at right angles extremely fast and the craft and alien inside would not experience any force at all because it was just simply falling along the geodesic line.

Hard to believe but all the angles travelled by the craft going along the geodesic line is really just a straight line ( observed direction is just relative to the observer ) hence no G-Force and also the person inside would be in zero gravity.

Thats a complicated way of explaining something. Its simpler just to say that they are drones sent to earth controlled by the ETs chilling out on our Moon. At least you dont have to invent even more advanced technology that makes the idea of aliens existing sound more like fiction. id like to see the proof that aliens exist first before i go giving them physics breaking technology. their speed of light space ships should be enough to keep us busy for a while.

Rajaah · Mar 23, 2021

Chukzombi said:
Thats a complicated way of explaining something. Its simpler just to say that they are drones sent to earth controlled by the ETs chilling out on our Moon. At least you dont have to invent even more advanced technology that makes the idea of aliens existing sound more like fiction. id like to see the proof that aliens exist first before i go giving them physics breaking technology. their speed of light space ships should be enough to keep us busy for a while.

I've always figured (at least for a decade or so) that these super-fast UFOs were more likely to be drones than to have pilots. Look at our military moving in the direction of drones and automated pilots as quick as it can. All of our expeditions to other planets (rovers, mosquito, etc) are automated. It's way more trouble to actually send piloted vehicles somewhere unless it's for a very specific reason (like supervising drones, or collecting more diverse data).

Naw, more likely these things are unmanned drones collecting data. After all, our planet is a very interesting one. Planets with this kind of diversity of life (aka not just ocean life or atmospheric life), are fairly uncommon at best and extremely rare at worst, going off of the math we know. Even if we caught one of these data drones, it might not make any sense at our current technology level.

As for aliens on the moon...sounds silly, but didn't Buzz Aldrin or one of those guys mention there being weird noises and lights on the horizon when they were up there? Maybe there are people up there pulling levers. I don't know. I know nothing, like Jon Snow.

Rajaah · Mar 23, 2021

On another topic, does anyone have any idea WTF the Black Knight Satellite is? Thing's been orbiting Scandinavia / the arctic for 12-13,000 years. Maybe it already got discussed here, don't know.

Chukzombi · Mar 23, 2021

Rajaah said:
I've always figured (at least for a decade or so) that these super-fast UFOs were more likely to be drones than to have pilots. Look at our military moving in the direction of drones and automated pilots as quick as it can. All of our expeditions to other planets (rovers, mosquito, etc) are automated. It's way more trouble to actually send piloted vehicles somewhere unless it's for a very specific reason (like supervising drones, or collecting more diverse data).

Naw, more likely these things are unmanned drones collecting data. After all, our planet is a very interesting one. Planets with this kind of diversity of life (aka not just ocean life or atmospheric life), are fairly uncommon at best and extremely rare at worst, going off of the math we know. Even if we caught one of these data drones, it might not make any sense at our current technology level.

As for aliens on the moon...sounds silly, but didn't Buzz Aldrin or one of those guys mention there being weird noises and lights on the horizon when they were up there? Maybe there are people up there pulling levers. I don't know. I know nothing, like Jon Snow.

yeah, Aldrin, John Glen, a few other guys said they saw strange lights dancing around in space. maybe it was ice particles reflecting off the sun. nobody knows what exactly. the Moon has been theorized as a base for those pesky aliens. people have seen lights and other anomolies from the Moon as well.

Chukzombi · Mar 23, 2021

Rajaah said:
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On another topic, does anyone have any idea WTF the Black Knight Satellite is? Thing's been orbiting Scandinavia / the arctic for 12-13,000 years. Maybe it already got discussed here, don't know.

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