The RPG Thread

Rezz

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Even lightning reflexes twitch skill players have issues with dark souls, because it punishes the heedless harshly. When you learn an enemy's movement, or come to the understanding that you need to roll/dodge/block attacks until you get an opening, and not just run at it swinging, you start making real progress. And the dark souls games have a lot of "Surprise motherfucker!" Doakes moments, where shit just pops out of (seemingly) nowhere to knock you off a cliff, turn you to stone, poison you, execute you, whatever. You eventually, like Hodj said, acquire the patience and recognition that you gotta be aware of your environment at all times, and methodical playing trumps the hell out of run and gun. Which is basically unlike every other game on the market.

The only games in recent memory that require this methodical type playing were the Etrian Odyssey games for the DS/3DS, since you can literally die in your first fight if you don't play a very specific way. And just running off without making the proper preparations is just asking to get a loading screen. And it can be frustrating as fuck until you make that mental switch. It's why when DS2 came out, the early areas were a joke because DS1/Demons Souls had trained the shit out of people to view the game differently than something like Bayonetta or Devil May Cry, where you can just jog forward and kick the shit out of stuff with combos and flashy moves. Dark Souls really wants you to approach stuff as if it is a threat, from the literal first moments of the games. Because it is!

So yeah, patience, eventually the mental shift will happen and you'll enjoy the shit out of these games.
 

Khane

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I'm waiting on Best Buy to unfuck my GCU membership so I can buy Bloodborne for 20 bucks and start on my path down to one of us! PS4 should be here by Tuesday.
 

Crone

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lack of patience caused me to quit Dark Souls after like 3 hours. I felt exactly like you Crone.
Well, I'm glad I'm not alone. Lol. It's a compounding problem because as I get more frustrated I don't think as clearly, charge in more, and die more. Ugh. As much as I want to send it back and get the next game on my Gamefly queue I do think that I will push on and finish it.

I wonder what this game would be like on PC. Obviously just as harsh but I do wonder if I would fare better using a mouse and keyboard.
 

DoctorSpooge_sl

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Well, I'm glad I'm not alone. Lol. It's a compounding problem because as I get more frustrated I don't think as clearly, charge in more, and die more. Ugh. As much as I want to send it back and get the next game on my Gamefly queue I do think that I will push on and finish it.

I wonder what this game would be like on PC. Obviously just as harsh but I do wonder if I would fare better using a mouse and keyboard.
Dark Souls 1 was unplayable with a keyboard imo. Never played 2 on PC but I can't imagine that changing
 

Rezz

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I mean... people "do" play it with a keyboard and mouse. But save yourself a much steeper learning curve and just do the 360 wired controller. Or whatever controller you prefer, but it makes it substantially more enjoyable, imo.
 

Noodleface

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Oh crone, poor crone.

I struggled with dark souls when I first got it pretty hard. The key is patience and being meticulous. The good thing about this game is once you know an area it never changes, we'll.. Until you see that black smoke cloud and shit your pants but you'll find out. Anyways, the point is this game really rewards patience. Try to draw enemies into attacking you. The key really is to make them make the first move and then take your opening for a few hits and back off again. Not a game where you can just keep swinging.

Anyways if the game isn't fun there's no shame in giving it up to look cool to us. I have fun with the challenge. Sure I swear at the game the entire time I play, but I try to remember what I did wrong or what cheating move THE LAST SINNER DID THAT FUCK ING COCKSUCKER.

Don't get bloodborne if you find ds too hard, it's way more fast paced and brutal I think.
 

hodj

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Yeah, I do have that bonfire. Was making some progress, and was up to 4500 souls because I would kill the spear duo, then the archer and turtle dude but was having some trouble with the 3 dudes up top of the roof. Wanted the loot up there. Finally do it. Die to the last guy. Lol.. Then I come back and I fall off the ledge at the archer guy and die. 4500 souls lost. Sigh...

7-8k souls lost in this one area alone and counting. Haha. Patience is something I'm lacking I suppose. I'm so used to Diablo games where it's just charge in and kill shit.
Charging in before you even have the core mechanics down in dark souls is a death sentence.

There is a really nice fire sword nearby, down below that area that you should google and read about. It will help the killing go easier as it does solid damage.

The rest is patience memorization and striking when an opening presents itself.

Diablo dark souls is not.

Lots of groups can be split up mobs isolated and killed.

Its literally as I said. You need to slow down dont push to progress so quickly and instead relax take a deep breath and learn the core of the game first.

You dont suck you just arent used to this game play yet
 

hodj

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Well, I'm glad I'm not alone. Lol. It's a compounding problem because as I get more frustrated I don't think as clearly, charge in more, and die more. Ugh. As much as I want to send it back and get the next game on my Gamefly queue I do think that I will push on and finish it.

I wonder what this game would be like on PC. Obviously just as harsh but I do wonder if I would fare better using a mouse and keyboard.
Its also good when you feel that way to take a break. Seriously.

I play ds2 in pc with an xbox controller. Keyboard and mouse dont help really tbh
 

DoctorSpooge_sl

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I dunno. Bloodborne's later levels get really hard, but the game is just a lot more fluid and responsive. I vastly prefer Dark Souls but think Bloodborne might make a really good entry point if the former fails.

I dunno, though - the levels are definitely harder in BB.
 

Noodleface

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I would say that both the cleric beast and father G are hard intro bosses for someone having trouble in Cardinal tower. Especially since at cleric beast you have like 3 hp
 

DoctorSpooge_sl

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Shit, I had trouble in Cardinal Tower too. 2 just gets easier over time; 1 is all over the place; BB starts hard, gets easier, then ends hard, especially that nightmare level with the brain or eye or whatever.
 

Nester

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Shit, I had trouble in Cardinal Tower too. 2 just gets easier over time; 1 is all over the place; BB starts hard, gets easier, then ends hard, especially that nightmare level with the brain or eye or whatever.
Agreed, BB has a reverse bell curve for difficulty, I think I spent more time in Central Yarham than the rest of the game combined, not counting chalice.
 

DoctorSpooge_sl

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Lol, for me it was the level with the massive eye/brain - i forget what those things were - in the chamber. The outdoor section of that level - the first third, I guess - at one point had me doubting my ability to finish the game. Nothing else in the game was even close.
 

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Lol, for me it was the level with the massive eye/brain - i forget what those things were - in the chamber. The outdoor section of that level - the first third, I guess - at one point had me doubting my ability to finish the game. Nothing else in the game was even close.
Yeah I hated that part too. Those fucking brain monsters were terrible, like how they'd continue to build frenzy even after they died for like 5seconds, pain in the ass. And if for some reason you didn't pay attention and they grabbed you, instant death. Hated the whole section. That and the "first" boss, the wolf thing on the bridge, that's pretty much the only difficult parts I had in the game I think. Most bosses I killed within 2 or 3 tries, some took a few more but rarely felt challenging, and most trash was easy. Didn't use coop, or AI, or consumables, or anything really, just the dagger weapons. Dark Souls 2 was kinda the same.
 

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Got Pillars of Eternity today cause it was on sale... this should be the engine they use for the enhanced BG/IWD stuff
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Feels great~!
 

Kriptini

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I mean... people "do" play it with a keyboard and mouse. But save yourself a much steeper learning curve and just do the 360 wired controller. Or whatever controller you prefer, but it makes it substantially more enjoyable, imo.
I play/played both games with KB+M. DS2 used to be awful but since they enabled the option to "disable waiting for the second click," it's become much smoother.

I played Bloodborne with a controller (obviously) and was consistently hitting the wrong buttons, even on the last bosses. I'm just too used to the KB+M.
 

Noodleface

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The controller just 'feels right' in this game to me.

I tried KB+M when DS1 was first released for PC and it was awful. From then on never again.

Speaking of DS1, I have a hankering to replay it.
 

Vorph

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The keyboard is the weak link. Yeah, there's a lot of buttons available, but it's awkward as hell to make use of them, and even worse, you're limited to 8-way digital movement.

I've been tempted to buy aFragChuckfor a while now, just to see if it works as well as I think such a device would. The $70 price tag is a bit much though, for what is essentially half of a gamepad, plus I've never been able to figure out if it's truly analog or if it just sends WASD like the Belkin Nostromo/Razer Orbweaver. I wouldn't want it if it was still digital, but fully analog would be a problem in games like Fallout 4 which don't allow input from both gamepad and kb/m at the same time (without using F4SE to mod it anyway).