The Tanoubliette: Pussy Hurt and Delusions or TTPHAD for short.

Why does a moon bat get so mad when somone other than himself has buttsex?

Alkorin: No, no, no. You're not understanding how this works. She is the accuser. The onus is on her (and her lawyers, and her evidence) to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that her side of the story is correct and that she is telling the truth about what she says happened to her. That's how "innocent until proven guilty" works. She is the accuser, therefore, she has to prove her case."

I guess that WOULD be "how this works" if I were trying to argue that Nangussen is guilty of rape. I'm not.

You DO understand that Nangussen not being found guilty doesn't necessarily mean Sulkowicz was lying, right? It doesn't conclusively mean she wasn't raped. I'm not saying she WAS, I'm saying we don't know and we likely never will. Are you with me?

Now, lots of posters have made the confident claim that Sulkowicz made false rape accusations. Falsely accusing someone of rape is a crime, is it not? Has it been proven she lied? Of course not. Does proof exist that would hold up in court? Nope, since if it DID, Nangussen would have a solid defamation case on his hands. Are you following me?

Defending someone's presumed innocence in the absence of proof of a crime is completely logical. Presuming someone else's guilt in the same absence of proof of a crime is completely hypocritical. The only reason, THE ONLY REASON, why they are interpreted differently is because FEELS. I mean, if it's not based on proof (which we've established is insufficient beyond a reasonable doubt in BOTH cases), then what else is there besides feels?


Alkorin: "The burden on her accused is lighter. All he (or his lawyer, or his evidence) has to do is prove that there is reasonable doubt. There is plenty of reasonable doubt in this case. So, either she's lying, or she needs a better lawyer. Or perhaps both."

Nope. You forgot option 3: She's not lying, but there simply isn't enough evidence to back up her story. Strange you would omit that since it's hardly an uncommon occurrence in rape cases.

Her response raped me. What the fuck language is that?

Fana: "what do you call this tanoomba"

I don't have to call it anything, she already addressed it:
Sulkowicz: "I haven't faced him since he assaulted me, and I want to talk with him about what happened. I try to say this in a friendly tone, so that he doesn't get scared. I don't want him to avoid the conversation. I'm being irrational, thinking that talking with him would help me."

See what this does? This creates an alternate, completely feasible explanation of that exchange besides "She's trying to hook up with him and he's rejecting her." This creates reasonable doubt against accusations that she is lying about being raped.



Alkorin: "Moon Bat, it's not feels. It's logic. She is, at the moment, unable to prove her case, but she sure is VERY VERY LOUD and being very cruel to that poor mattress. If she's being so goddamned loud about her case, she should probably have some evidence to back it up. Does that mean she wasn't raped? No. It just means she has made an accusation that she can't back up, and that usually doesn't end well for an accuser."

She was an art student, you tool. She (supposedly) felt frustrated about how the school handled the case, and instead of just letting it go she (supposedly) turned her experience into performance art. She had been talking with a professor about other artists who performed "endurance art" (WAY crazier stuff than what she did) and, inspired by their work, decided that the best way to get her message across was by transforming the metaphorical burden all rape victims carry into a literal one, represented by the same type of mattress she (supposedly) was raped on.

You're right, though, she made an accusation she can't back up. That doesn't mean she was lying, and assuming it does is, by necessity, based on feels. Which is fine. You're all allowed to believe she's a lying, vindictive bitch. Just don't fucking pretend it's not based on "feels" when it very clearly is. If it wasn't she would be getting sued as we speak.

Gavinmad: "They're practically high fiving each other for ganging up on me, it's hilarious."

It is, isn't it? I know that feel, bro.

Fana: "right like I said you can't prove anything either, someones telling a bullshit story, i'm gonna go with the one where it doesn't involve mind games and irrational behavior."

Wait a second... The version of the story that involves a girl becoming a scheming, vengeful crazy person who conspires with other people to attempt to ruin the life of an innocent man, including carrying a mattress with her on campus every day for months, all because he wouldn't go steady with her is the version that DOESN'T involve mind games and irrational behavior?

Seems legit.

Agraza: "Have you ever been with a woman? Seriously. Mind games and irrational behavior are typical. It's why people say shit like we're two different species and men are from mars, women are from venus. Every time I think I've found someone down to earth and relaxed they find a way to go batshit and/or accuse me of ridiculous things I have no motivation for doing. Then I'm done, and they go batshit that I'm done. More than one has tried to get me fired, though that's not at all common."

Yes, Agra, I've been with women. None of them have ever gone "psycho revenge beast" on me. Have you considered the possibility that if every one of the girls you've been with has gone batshit, the problem might be you?



Alkorin: "Sounds like we should watch him argue with himself for a while. Shouldn't be too hard to find a conspiracy theory that says that the forum is deliberately changing his posts to put him at odds with his own posts."

Alright, I'll bite: Where did I contradict myself?

Agraza: "He says in a thread built to mock his perspective. If you don't accept that as a valid counterpoint why would I?"

Because "mocking" is never a valid counterpoint. Have I not made that clear yet?

In any case, thanks for confirming that one of the reasons people are so convinced Sulkowicz is lying is because of tired gender stereotypes. Guess how surprised I am?