The Trayvon Trial

I watched that video. Twice, in case I missed something the first time. Doesn't make one shred of difference to anything I've said. If I missed something, feel free to tell me what. I'm not arguing against SYG. I'm not saying there aren't situations where you are justified using deadly force to defend yourself. I'm not even saying Zimmerman wasn't justified using deadly force, although I would like to point out that the reason why neighborhood watch suggestsnotcarrying guns is to prevent situations like this happening. Yes, he had a right to be carrying a gun, andmaybethe gun saved his life (though I personally doubt it), butmaybea fight would not have escalated if Zimmerman didn't have his backup to depend on. Maybe he would have stayed in his car. Here's a non-maybe: If Zimmerman hadn't decided Martin was suspicious because he was black and wearing a hoodie, made it known he was following the kid and confronted him about his right to be in this neighborhood (where his dad lives), there would have been no confrontation leading to a death.

ZyyzYzzy_sl said:

Doesn't bother you when a person hires someone to kill another person though. You can totally see situations where that is justified.

It is not a loophole, and there is no evidence Zimmerman did what you are saying anyway.

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Of course it bothers me when a person hires someone to kill another person. It bothers me tremendously. Like many things that bother me, I can imagine situations where it's justified, though. Maybe I just have a good imagination, what do you want me to tell you?
What am I saying Zimmerman did that there is no evidence of?

Tanoomba_sl said:

We can't just assume she's making it up or decide what alternatives she had without knowing what she went through either. All we can do is allow the legal system to go through the process and make a decision, which it did. I guess whatever needed to be proven was proven... that's how the legal system works, right?

If she had brandished a kitchen knife while her husband attacked her and he died in the scuffle, this wouldn't be an issue. Perhaps she didn't want to wait for it to get that far, perhaps she didn't have faith in her own ability to be able to physically defend herself, perhaps she thought she would be far more likely to be the one who ended up dead in such a situation. She tried to hire a hitman to protect herself, and the law apparently agreed that this was acceptable in her circumstances. It doesn't matter whether or not I defend her actions, the legal system already did.

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You're quotes from your reaction to a woman hiring a hitman to have her husband killed. Zimmerman being physical assaulted and sustaining head injuries doesn't allow for the same logic to be applied though.

Tanoomba_sl said:

Personally, I would think you'd have more respect for this woman. We've all acknowledged women are generally physically weaker than men.

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I mean I guess he wasn't physically weaker than Martin, so he can't defend himself.

Edit - You are the biggest hypocrite alive.

ZyyzYzzy_sl said:

You're quotes from your reaction to a woman hiring a hitman to have her husband killed. Zimmerman being physical assaulted and sustaining head injuries doesn't allow for the same logic to be applied though.
I mean I guess he wasn't physically weaker than Martin, so he can't defend himself.

Edit - You are the biggest hypocrite alive.

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Wrong, bitch. That wasn't my reaction to a woman hiring a hitman to have her husband killed. That was my reaction to a judge's decision regarding those actions, a judge's decision which (at the time) I had no reason to doubt was based on reasonable evidence. I fucking hate having to repeat myself, but you choose to ignore everything that doesn't allow you to make incorrect judgments about people. It's really annoying. Fucking quit it.
Plus, I just,JUSTsaid that I don't blame Zimmerman for using his gun when he did. I just fucking said it, like, one post ago. Again, you ignore what doesn't fit your preconceived notions. Twit.

Cad_sl said:

So what you're saying is, Zimmerman should have stayed in his car because approaching highly aggressive people in your own neighborhood might get you attacked. And if you get attacked, you might be forced to defend yourself. And if you defend yourself, and kill the highly aggressive person, that would be bad, because death is bad. So the highly aggressive people should just left alone under all circumstances, because we can't have them killed due to their own actions.

Really dude?

Bottom line: Martin attacked an armed man, and paid the price. The end.

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You forgot the most important caveat. If the person in Zimmerman's position is a woman, for Tanoomba, all her actions are excusable.

Tanoomba_sl said:

Wrong, bitch. That wasn't my reaction to a woman hiring a hitman to have her husband killed. That was my reaction to a judge's decision regarding those actions, a judge's decision which (at the time) I had no reason to doubt was based on reasonable evidence. I fucking hate having to repeat myself, but you choose to ignore everything that doesn't allow you to make incorrect judgments about people. It's really annoying. Fucking quit it.
Plus, I just,JUSTsaid that I don't blame Zimmerman for using his gun when he did. I just fucking said it, like, one post ago. Again, you ignore what doesn't fit your preconceived notions. Twit.

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You are guilty of everything you just accused me of in that paragraph yet you do not see it. How is it to have your head so far up your own ass and not see your own bullshit?

Cad_sl said:

So what you're saying is, Zimmerman should have stayed in his car because approaching highly aggressive people in your own neighborhood might get you attacked. And if you get attacked, you might be forced to defend yourself. And if you defend yourself, and kill the highly aggressive person, that would be bad, because death is bad. So the highly aggressive people should just left alone under all circumstances, because we can't have them killed due to their own actions.

Really dude?

Bottom line: Martin attacked an armed man, and paid the price. The end.

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I'm saying Zimmerman shouldn't have assumed Martin had no right to be there because he was black and in a hoodie in the first place. If he did decide to report him as suspicious, he should have ended his involvement right there and yes, stayed in the fucking car. And actually, although you're being sarcastic the way you describe the cause-and-effect chain there, you're pretty much on the nose. You shouldn't put yourself in a position where you might be attacked (again, we have no proof Martin initiated the attack, so your bottom line is based on nothing), especially when such a situation could lead to someone's death (you know, like if you're carrying a gun). None of this is rocket science.

Gavinrad_sl said:

Citation needed.

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Zimmerman is a man, and thus guilty of anything and everything, duh.