Titan has been cancelled.

Mist_sl said:

Let's see:

After waiting 10 years for D3, it being released as garbage for almost 2 years, and only slightly less than garbage 2 patches into the first expansion.

Raising the barrier for entry into the MMO space to the point that only mediocre WoW clones and half-assed ports of Asian games can get enough funding to release in that space.

WoW having no innovation in the past 4-5 years... never even adding things like housing that were once considered fundamental MMO features...

Making a "Me Too" MOBA game for no real reason other than not wanting to feel left out.

I think those are the major points.

Hearthstone is the best thing they've released since WoW 1.0, and Hearthstone has really no where to grow given there's really only so many abilities you can put on cards with 3-5 words on them.

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Heartstone is the LFR version of MtG, simple gameplay for everyone. I can 100% guarantee that competitive card gaming is so much harder than heartstone, it's not even fun to compare, just depressing.
It is a decent toy and it will get them some cash, but a good game it is not.

Diablo 3 was an aberration with the AH (the RMAH was just the icing on the cake): nobody ever played D2 to sell loot for gold, or farmed hundreds of millions of gold to get loot. It's been corrected and the game is a lot better now, it's also fun, but it has a major flaw for old players: it's exactly like D2, pretty much no innovation there. At least it can be excruciatingly difficult and it's extremely intense in certain moments, especially playing hc.

WoW is a great game, not much to add there. I have an opinion on a couple things that could be better, but it's an opinion, so not important in the grand scheme of things. After 10 years it still has millions playing it, enough said.

Starcraft... starcraft what? Never cared about it.

Come to think of it, whyisn'tmariokart WoW pvp a thing?

Why does that NOT exist? Hell, I haven't played WoW since beta and even I would sub to play some WoMK.

GTA:Oggrim

Garrosh could throw Iron Stars at the other drivers.

Iannis_sl said:

Come to think of it, whyisn'tmariokart WoW pvp a thing?

Why does that NOT exist? Hell, I haven't played WoW since beta and even I would sub to play some WoMK.

GTA:Oggrim

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They probably just haven't thought of it. If it happens in the next 18 months I'm gonna demand royalties from Feror and Tigule fer sher.

The bank they could make off selling karts is mind bottling.

Well there's already plenty of mounts in the damn game. Just increase their speed, make tracks that you have to go around 3 times, and throw in items that would just be ground based spells or modifiers to speed (i.e. mushroom) or stun, or dismount. Special items could let you target players specifically. And then link it to your battleground system.

They already had racing via the dragon mount quest in MoP (there were also races in BC for Netherwing), but it wasn't PvP.

Actually, both of those quests weren't that well designed and remember them being a PITA due to controls. But those were flying quests, I could see a ground based racing sub-game working.

Dumar_sl said:

I don't understand the focus on AI. We have humans -make use of them. Massively social interactions have continually taken a back seat to everything else for the sake of casualness. Fucking Ultima Online had more massively interactive gameplay than anything EQN will likely have..

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The problem is games focused on humans, i.e. UO, Shadowbane, etc always get cratered by the anti social fucks who chase off all the normals. Design hasn't figured out a good method to have real FFA and yet play nice rules together.

The closest to what you want is probably Camelot Unchained.

I personally don't want an FFA world, but actual live GMs with real events. I agree scripts and repeating events are boring. However, since they are cheap and WOW continues to rake in money, they remain what everyone uses instead of actual interactive sysops.

Gecko_sl said:

The problem is games focused on humans, i.e. UO, Shadowbane, etc always get crateredby the anti social fuckswho chase off all the normals. Design hasn't figured out a good method to have real FFA and yet play nice rules together.

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thats a pretty good description of Dumar right there

Palum_sl said:

I don't even disagree with this and it's pretty easy to disagree with Mist.

Himeo, D3 and SC2 were pretty bad. HotS is mediocre and HS is extremely limited. That plus a disappointing Cataclysm and MoP launch (though it is much better after a few patches) with 'Yet More Orcs IX' on the horizon... it's pretty disappointing.

'Hate' is probably hyperbole for most of us, pissed or upset is more likely the correct term.

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I have a hard time taking anyone who says SC2 was a bad game seriously. It is the best RTS game to come out since the first Starcraft.

Dumar_sl said:

I don't understand the focus on AI. We have humans -make use of them. Massively social interactions have continually taken a back seat to everything else for the sake of casualness. Fucking Ultima Online had more massively interactive gameplay than anything EQN will likely have.

It's not about the technology. It's about the people inside a massive online world. This piece of garbage industry has long since forgotten that. And ever since WoW was released, all we've gotten are new gameplay elements that move us further and further away from the reason this genre ever existed in the first place.

To show the level of fucked up-ness in this industry today. if you ask a random retard dev in the industry what massively interactive might mean, they'll say FB or Twitter integration. It's that far gone down the retard rabbit hole. It's disgusting. It's pathetic. And I hope EQN turns into another E.T. and this industry craters on itself like it's long since deserved.

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Sounds like this is exactly what Blizzard was trying to do in Titan. In the non FPS portion of the world.

Chanur_sl said:

I really enjoyed SC2 but I have 0 desire to do the ladder bullshit or play competitively. I played the story line and some random matches against the computer with a friend. I would really like the Protoss expansion already. Those faggots split the game into thirds they better give us the last part.

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I think (hope) one of the reasons for no info on LotV is that they're trying to work on getting many of the features they're adding to the engine from Heroes to SC2. They are well aware for Heroes to work there needs to be an observer function with drop/in out of competitive games. They've already added reconnect to game functionality to the engine which was never present in SC2 (which you could argue shouldn't exist for 1v1 ladder but may be a nice feature for team games) so hopefully they're porting that over to SC2 and also adding observers which don't lag the game as well. SC2 you could argue was the start of the modern esports movement on PC since it came out right at the start of twitch's rise but it is completely dated already with games like DOTA2 and LoL having a much better support system for their game to be a true esport.

Tenks_sl said:

I have a hard time taking anyone who says SC2 was a bad game seriously. It is the best RTS game to come out since the first Starcraft.

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C&C3 honestly started out as a better game than SC2 was, it's just too bad they had to destroy it in typical EA fashion by releasing an expansion with massive game-breaking bugs and then never fixing them.

Abefroman_sl said:

You can simply look at WoW progress of how many people still haven't killed the hardest content almost 2 years since it was released to dismiss your entire point. Are you talking full pug heroic clears?

934/10000 plus guilds have cleared Heroic SoO 25 man.

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Why are you only using data within one game to determine if that game's content is the hardest amongst other games? That doesn't even make mathematical sense.

Besides, judging the difficult of said content based on those types of numbers is going to give you skewed data. Why has only 5% of the population of WoW defeated Garrosh Heroic? You know specifically this is because ofdifficulty, not due to inability of players, or a sizable chunk of the population getting bored with the content and quitting the game prior to even getting to Garrosh Heroic, how? What you're using to come to your conclusion is simply reverse argumentum ad populum. Less people out of 11 million haven't defeated it in one game, therefore it must be the hardest content around out of ALL GAMES. wat? There are too many determining factors of what makes something "difficult" to just use some numbers to come to that conclusion. Hell, how do you even know it's Garrosh that's holding people back? People could be getting stuck at a prior Heroic boss, could be from a lack of gear, not lack of proper execution, etc. People wiped 520+ times on a Garrosh initially? Shit, it HAS TO BE because the boss is SOOOO DIFFICULT, not because they were throwing themselves at a boss completely undergeared in an attempt to reach a world record. Nah, that definitely couldn't be it. Had to be the difficulty.

I made a general statement about the difficulty of heroic content, meaning to span the entirety of the game, and you specifically turned it to Garrosh 25m Heroic.

Here's a thought, instead of using numbers why don't you judge the difficulty, (I know this is a radical concept) by using your own personal experience. I've experienced both the end game heroic content in WoW, and end game content in other MMO's, and speaking from personal experience, not ridiculous math numbers I pulled off wowprogress.com, WoW's content isn't the hardest content in the MMO genre. It's just not.

Asmadai_sl said:

I made a general statement about the difficulty of heroic content, meaning to span the entirety of the game, and you specifically turned it to Garrosh 25m Heroic.

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You specifically brought up Garrosh 25 man. Can't you remember what you typed one day ago? The rest of your nonsense is just that. I'm supposed to judge stuff on feels and not actual data. Sure, whatever.

I'm starting to think I'm the only one here who ever killed Heroic Garrosh.

I think your full of shit. Especially after you posted this in the FF thread.

Asmadai_sl said:

Idk, I mean to each his own I guess, but whenever I play this game I can't see the problems anyone finds with it, at all. I don't see why everyone out there isn't playing this game. I just came back to it after our WoW guild went on break from SoO as a sort of vacation, but damn I'm enjoying every bit of my time here. I even got a WoD Beta invite and didn't give two shits. /shrug

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How exactly are you going to compare by feels when it's obvious you just came back to that game and haven't done that shit yourself.

Abefroman_sl said:

I think your full of shit. Especially after you posted this in the FF thread.



How exactly are you going to compare by feels when it's obvious you just came back to that game and haven't done that shit yourself.

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Don't bite too hard on this guys bait Abe. It's pretty obvious.