Tom Clancy's The Division

stankwoo

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Why do challenge modes now? The ilvl determining the loot gear score drop didn't actually happen. If you kill ilvl 30 and ilvl32 there is no difference. You need to craft to get above that 183 or whatever. Does that mean we should just pound hard modes and deconstruct for mats?
 
Crone

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I don't know. After getting the 4 HE's per boss, going back to 1 is a punch in the gut. But I was running these missions when I wasn't getting any at all, so I guess it's still an improvement.
 
Warr

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TecKnoe_sl said:
Whats the best way to farm as a fresh 30? do dailys / and just run challenge modes? or is DZ my main option.

Also if anyone has any good guides, for tips/tricks etc, looking for info on what stats i should aim for on each piece of gear, pm me here or ADD me online asleepdanZzZ






=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-uuuuuhhhh from what im reading did this game just go into the shitter? 1HE only? and the change to crafting seems to suck, i feel like i should cut my losses now and sell it asap
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I useDivMinMax | Helping you get the most out of your Tom Clancys The Division experience.pretty good breakdown of each gear slot.

When we were getting 4 HE per run yesterday, I knew that would result in too many HEs entering the world and it wasn't intended so we hit it as hard as we could. Especially when Hornet was only giving 2. LOL at all the butt-hurt people that think that think that many HEs would be balanced.

A good DZ group is the way to go, 8-9 HE's every half hour or so and the Phoenix Credit boost is nice.

Pretty annoyed at the increased crafting costs though. Weapon mods now take 8 weapon parts and 6 tools, weapon parts are definitely now my bottleneck.
 
Gravel

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How was it imbalanced though? Most HE's are garbage. I'd say probably 95%+. With the nerf to deconstruction, it actually made sense to have more drop. In fact, taking Lincoln for example, you used to get 4 items (usually 1 HE, 3 purple) and now you're only getting two. With the change to crafting, this is a MASSIVE nerf.

Your line of thinking is obviously what the devs think too, but it's flawed. Just because something is high end doesn't make it good. The rolls are what are actually important. You could have 1000 high ends drop off a boss, but if the rolls are all crap it's not going to matter.

Stranger still, the devs have stated they don't want crafting to be the primary source of gear...so they remove more gear dropping from PVE? How does that logic make any sense?

This is why I'm tempted to just walk away from the game at this point. The devs either don't know what they want to be, or they're incompetent as far as implementing it. I haven't done the incursion yet, but it sounds like an insult as well. I guess it's just a single room?
 
Warr

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I know what you mean. The LOLs were more for the Reddit crowd who love to bitch about this game, many of whom have never played a real MMO. I love loot raining from heaven as much as the next guy, regardless of quality, but it just didn't mesh with pace of loot/development that the devs have shown to be their desired rate in the game so far.

I feel like the devs wanted something along the lines of high-ends being special and the average player acquiring them at the rate of one every few days or so, and not being fully best-in-slot and crushing all their content within a week. You can see this with their early nerfs to Phoenix credits and the recent nerfs to the crafting system. Unfortunately, their inexperience with this genre has caused them to greatly underestimate the lengths an MMO player will go to in the search for perfection. Combine this with their fundamental misunderstanding of having loot drops optimized for maximum dopamine hits, like Diablo 3, and you have the game we have today.

Just my 2c
 
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The way MMO's work you can never have that problem with gear, they could just increase the damage, raise the level cap, increase enemy health.

Diablo 3 does it every few months, new gear sets, items, greater rifts.

Gear in this game works the same way as Diablo except it's actually way more difficult to get anything close to a perfect roll in the Division, gear in Diablo has at least set talents attributed to them.
 
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kinda sad i bought this
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and to make it worse i digitally bought the fucker so i cant even get like 20$ for it, never again!
 
Tolwen

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I don't mind buying the game but I was planning to wait a month before buying the season pass. It was a great plan. Stupidly bought it the next day. I had a lot of fun in the beta. Low amount of skills and gear I think is what I liked about it. Hopefully they put in some other kind of pvp in the game.
 
Kais

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I can be pissy about this game easily, but really, i've gotten my moneys worth in entertainment value. I can see what they're trying to do with the loot/crafting system and i hope it gets there eventually. If anything, the early farmers only made it worse because it raised expectations for an untenable system. Oh well, it happens.

Had a great time hunting folks down in DZ last night for a couple hours. 3 of us rolled around running hot and deadly made overall survivability better honestly. Treat everyone as rogue. Got something like 2 full stashes of yellows over a couple hours hunting people down and taking their shit! 2 Set items and a Midas included! Went from DZ41 to DZ48 and only died twice.
 
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Elurin_sl said:
Plus when there are so many rolls on an individual item, having a bunch of high ends drop doesn't actually mean anything.
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It's like they learned absolutely nothing from the debacle Diablo 3 went through and Blizzard's insistence for the longest time to keep legendary/set items "rare".
 
Abefroman

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This game drives me fucking nuts. I really like it and find it fun and haven't even gotten to the point of worrying about the silly loot. It's so god damn fucking buggy. Falling through the earth and be ported around from safe house to safe house because of that pos group maker. Just spent 30 minutes trying to do RC and all I did was keep falling through the fucking world every time I tried to enter.
 
Crone

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How much loot is UN Consulate dropping now? That used to be the gateway, dropping 10 purples per run. Could gear up there to get ready for Challenge modes. With the change, it's not dropping 3 HEs now, is it?
 
Xexx

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Doing DZ routes you can get more yellows than any other method atm. Not only that but you can get green set pieces from the DZ also and not just Nomad pieces either. I was in DZ for 15mins and had 5 yellows and extracted and left and i was solo.

Next month they have another encounter they are added in and likely the following month they are adding Broken Circle - 3 months with consecutive content updates to me is worth more than the fact they are still chasing their asses to find some form of balance. Dont get me wrong these guys are totally clueless rejects who should have hired someone with true mmo experience to help them set this all up. However i remember year one destiny and even now how slow content is coming, i just cant brush it off so long as they keep adding more shit to do.
 
Xevy

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It amazes me this forum was based on an EQ community. I remember spending dozens of hours in Lguk and never winning an FBSS. Now motherfuckers mad that it takes like two days to get full high end.

For shame on all of you.
 
Xexx

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Xevy_sl said:
It amazes me this forum was based on an EQ community. I remember spending dozens of hours in Lguk and never winning an FBSS. Now motherfuckers mad that it takes like two days to get full high end.

For shame on all of you.
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Ragefire son, the struggle was real.
 
Sulrn

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Xevy_sl said:
It amazes me this forum was based on an EQ community. I remember spending dozens of hours in Lguk and never winning an FBSS. Now motherfuckers mad that it takes like two days to get full high end.

For shame on all of you.
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The real shame is that the community was galvanized behind:
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You have 14 Days. If after that time the Plane is not properly tuned, I am deleting my characters, and cancelling all of my accounts. The rest of my guild will follow suit, as will several other guilds and people that play Everquest.

To be brief, I did not work my ass off, jumping through your idiotic hoops with my friends and guildmates, so I could go to a zone where only groups of 18 could enjoy the content. EVEN if past these initial moronic events I can finally get my entire guild in to raid with me, FUCK YOU GUYS. Seriously, FUCK YOU.

I cannot believe this... right now I'm just so pissed off. I am sitting here in the Plane of Time, and 3/4 of my guild is just sitting around while a group of 18 is repeatedly trying to beat one of the mini ring encounters. Don't you people have ANY FUCKING DECENCY? SMEDLEY WHY DON'T YOU STOP COUNTING YOUR MONEY AND START ISSUING ORDERS?

The tragic irony of creating the ultimate cockblock encounter in the form of the Rathe which requires 80 people to defeat and then to limit encounters in the Plane of Time to 18.

14 Days.... after that this site will change from the most popular EQ fan site on the internet to the most popular World of Warcraft fan site on the internet. I'm done playing ball with you useless fuckers... it's my turn
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yet it still supports games that are obviously not 100% at release or obvious cash grabs and companies with shady practices or any basis of learning from previous mistakes. TC
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is better than most in either regard, but it still fell in the box from not learning anything from Destiny/R6:S in game design.
 
Xexx

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Times change man, this shit is just common practice, if you wait for everything to be 100% complete you will end up not playing anything until a year after release.
 
Sulrn

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Times change man, this shit is just common practice, if you wait for everything to be 100% complete you will end up not playing anything until a year after release.
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And that mentality is why we got here in the first place. A market that was rewarded for its patience grows up and lost all semblance of it.
 
Xexx

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Sulrn_sl said:
And that mentality is why we got here in the first place. A market that was rewarded for its patience grows up and lost all semblance of it.
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By the time we knew it was happening it was too late. IDK tho, with the nature of online MP games and how they operate and require constant tweaking when are they ever really 100%?
 
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