VALORANT - Riot Games

Turning it off via uninstalling and restarting your computer followed by reinstalling and restarting your computer every single time you play is not a realistic response and you know it.

And yes, but actually having a real working anticheat is a totally seperate issue, something I only point out because Riot basically reaffirming that walling will be impossible, except it turns out that was a fucking retarded thing to say because it's clearly not true.

Here's Arkem talking a little bit about it, with the clip for context.

Anyways I'm probably against this because it's the reason I stopped playing ESEA because of them fucking installing a bitcoin miner on my computer.

The Fog of War actually works decently well from what I saw in the hacker videos. You'll notice if the hackers or their team have no vision, or the enemy isn't close pretty close, it just completely stops updating their positioning. So in that respect, Arkem is right.

But obviously hackers will still have an advantage because getting updates based on your team's vision, or even someone right around a corner is still pretty useful. But you're not going to be able to singlehandedly track someone across the entire map.

Riot needs a better answer than "don't worry about it"

I.probably won't play until they address it

xzi said:

Anyways I'm probably against this because it's the reason I stopped playing ESEA because of them fucking installing a bitcoin miner on my computer.

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Hahaha, I was about to come mention that.

I had a guy from india in my game last night, 180 something ping; despite me trying to communicate the enemies patterns, it sounded like all of his talking were a google translate and not even a response. Although he was like 4-10, eventually we got to spectate him and some of his shots were clearly trying to program a sort of aimbot.. I tried to give it the benefit of a doubt w/ it being ping but 180 snap to a guy, then a 180 snap to another guy through the wall in less than a fraction of a second.. It was pretty funny.

I get it from alot of your perspective, but i'm on the fence about it.. but i'm on a pc that is strictly movies games and porn, while my laptop is for everything else. I'm giving it a little bit to see if their "aggressive" approach to anti-cheat will be worth it.

CSGO has had a long standing issue w/ Faceit, ESEA, and Valve will not communicate with each other over anti-cheats. If thats still going on, not sure, but I wouldn't be surprised. If Riot can prove a better anti-cheat that doesn't work in "ban waves" i'll be happy, but who knows we will see.

Anticheat is necessary, running it on boot 24/7 isn't imo.

Actually this entire conversation is invalid if videogames weren't shit and just allowed dedicated servers but I'm not sure that technology is there yet because it's not 2002

Haven is also a dumb fucking map. I didn't watch whatever liquid tournament thing recently, but people are starting to use strategies that were done in that; from what my friend who did watch it was explaining to me.. but yeah, its pretty much heavily defense sided atm.

I just had a game where we got shit stomped on attack(2-10).. At first I was thinking these guys are better, they're communicating, they're amazing shots, proper angles, and ability rotations.. but then we get on defense and did the exact same shit. Our main issue on attack was that we're just a rag-tag pug.. so any on the fly strats we/i had, we would take/plant, but couldn't close out.. but on defense, I just kept rotating off A the second I didn't see em long, float our b unless our cipher saw spike or multiple down long c. Eventually we lost because a mistep that became a slippery slope.. between an aggressive peek that lost us our C guy, to our Sage going thirsty rev to death. 12-13

Fuck Haven, I hate it.

It's a fucking rootkit.

You can talk all damn day about "turning the shit off" or "I unistalled it" or "Every other game out there does it".

This type of response pretty basically boils down to this :

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It's a FUCKING rootkit. If you don't know what the fuck that means, learn some hackers-r-us shit.

goishen said:

It's a FUCKING rootkit. If you don't know what the fuck that means, learn some hackers-r-us shit.

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Apparently you don't know what the fuck it means, because having kernel access alone is not the definition of a rootkit. By that logic, your GPU drivers are a rootkit.

Stop being a dumbass.

gauze said:

Fuck Haven, I hate it.

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Haven is my least favorite map, by far.

Your GPU drivers are made by either AMD or nVidia, who have and inside knowledge on CPU's.

Srsly?

What does that have to do with your incorrect claim of what a rootkit is?

The entire point of a rootkit is that it's concealed from the user. Fair enough you you don't want to install Vanguard drivers, but it's not being hidden from you.

Okay. Look. Whenever you install (or uninstall) a rootkit, it almost always leaves a backdoor. Especially on windows. Your GPU drivers do not. That's because the manufacturers of them have an inside knowledge of CPU hardware.

I mean, if you want to install a rootkit and have your shit hacked (besides just running windows, which is already lolsecurity), that's fine with me. lolzsec didn't get it's name from nothing. Just don't pretend like you're shocked when you see your information being spread and sold across the world.

goishen said:

Your GPU drivers do not. That's because the manufacturers of them have an inside knowledge of CPU hardware.

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But they absolutely could. You're essentially just saying you trust Nvidia more than Riot - which is absolutely fair. But that doesn't make Riot's driver a "rootkit", and not Nvidia's driver.

Regardless, a rootkit is drivers/software that's existence is being concealed from the user, and provides unauthorized access (purposefully or not). Unless you're suggesting that Riot has secret things they're installing that actually ARE a rootkit, but then we're just heading into conspiracy theory territory.

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Just don't pretend like you're shocked when you see your information being spread and sold across the world.

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LOL, as if they require Kernel access to do that. If any company wanted to do it, they already would be with the access they have just by installing the software (especially if you're allowing admin access on install).

I think this is a pretty shitty business practice. But if you own and use a smartphone, alexa, have a google or apple account, etc etc etc you are always being surveilled and everything you do is on record as data for those companies to package and sell. So getting uppity about this is a little limp.

Teekey said:

If they know it booted on system startup, they can be more sure that it hasn't been tampered with or circumvented, which makes it more likely to detect that hacks are being used.

One of the devs explained it on Reddit:
"This is good for stopping cheaters because a common way to bypass anti-cheat systems is to load cheats before the anti-cheat system starts and either modify system components to contain the cheat or to have the cheat tamper with the anti-cheat system as it loads. Running the driver at system startup time makes this significantly more difficult. "

Obviously dealing with cheaters is always a cat and mouse game, but it's just one step (of many) to make it more difficult and require more sophisticated methods to stay undetected.

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One issue I have with this is that they didn't volunteer that information. This is a response to being caught. And that makes it somewhat shady to me.

Quineloe said:

One issue I have with this is that they didn't volunteer that information. This is a response to being caught. And that makes it somewhat shady to me.

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Except for the fact that they literally made a blog post over 2 months ago announcing that their games would be moving to this type of anti-cheat, and explained what it meant and why it was needed.

yeah I'm sure you read that blogpost before somebody else pointed it out xd

also kind of rad seeing some of the old cs favorites playing together again

xzi said:

yeah I'm sure you read that blogpost before somebody else pointed it out xd

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Don't get pissy at me because you retards have no idea what you're talking about and just make up bullshit.

I read it 2 months ago, because I play League and was following Valorant, and it caused a little bit of a stir when it was published, like it is now.