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Echuta

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Not sure if this has been brought up, but I think another driving force for VR wont be the gaming content provided but live sporting event coverage streamed into VR headsets. Several companies are developing cameras to capture a wide viewing range and, if perfected, could be immensely popular. Set up a camera and center court sideline, Amen corner at the Masters, or right behind home plate and youve got the best seat in the house. Hell, I wouldnt even mind paying a small monthly subscription fee to view those event via VR.

Whatever company can develop and market their gear/content to sports entertainment will get a bigger share of the general, non-gamer public IMO.
 

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Yeah, I brought up that idea when the original Oculus came out.

I think it's going to happen we just need to get higher quality displays in there, and better motion tracking. Right now it's still a pretty low rez experience.
 

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If you are really into VR, you know everything is just launching way too early for entertainment.

Been following this for awhile now, and listened to a really good show on this today.

Pixeless VR will have to be 8k, and 4k isn't even a viable option for another 3 years. So yeah... we got awhile to wait for really good VR, at 60fps.

I can see this being much more exciting for hobbyists tho, since they can do interesting stuff with the tech being so affordable (drones etc). That was always the case tho even with stuff like the Kinect.
Yeah I was just thinking to myself this shit will be pretty cool in like 10 years. Until then it's just gonna be the creepy weirdos of society, very similar to the early days of the Internet.
 

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I have no doubt whatsoever that VR will be the next gold rush for the industry. The headsets will get smaller, like bug eyes or even sun glasses. You wil be able to plug in your smartphone and there will be a shitton of apps. VR will merge with augmented reality and everyone and their grandmas dog will use the hell out of it for some reason or the other.
 

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I think most people agree VR will be a huge market. The question is whether the first generation of modern VR devices will have enough good experiences to get a large enough market penetration to get the ball rolling.

I kind of feel like the VR fans are focused on impressive demoes and exploring what's possible in VR, and less on using VR to improve on existing experiences. I suppose it's only natural, but to me getting VR working well with games like GTA5 is more important than say, building a good running-input system.
 

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live sporting event coverage streamed into VR headsets.
For most sports, the coverage a 'multi-camera + replays' TV broadcast offers is better than being at the event in person. The only benefit of being at the event is... being at the event! So it feels to me this VR coverage design really is the worst of both worlds: worse coverage and worse comfort than a TV broadcast while not being at the event.
 

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Well, no you are not thinking big enough.

You can have multiple cameras set up with full views on every axis, as well as strapping systems on live people.You can just hop to any of these cameras at will.

I termed it possession when we got into this debate awhile ago.

It will just be there to enhance what a live broadcast can already do. I can see them combining bits with the augmented reality tech that microsoft was working on.

I've already watched the movie demos that were produced in VR, and it is pretty damn cool imo. Will just be a whole nother form of entertainment from everything to live musical performances to sporting events.
 

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Anyone heard of StarVR?

StarVR

- 2-display architecture
- 32:9, 5120x1440
- 210x130 FOV

Wonder how many VR helmets are going to be at CES this fall.
 

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Well, no you are not thinking big enough.

You can have multiple cameras set up with full views on every axis, as well as strapping systems on live people.You can just hop to any of these cameras at will.

I termed it possession when we got into this debate awhile ago.

It will just be there to enhance what a live broadcast can already do. I can see them combining bits with the augmented reality tech that microsoft was working on.

I've already watched the movie demos that were produced in VR, and it is pretty damn cool imo. Will just be a whole nother form of entertainment from everything to live musical performances to sporting events.
I think it'll be a cool experience but I don't know if it will be that popular. For most people sporting events are about the result rather than the action, and most people will choose to watch a show with their mates instead of having a better viewing experience.

I do think that having a VR community watching an event together will be interesting, especially for people who can't go to the local bar or gathering and watch an event with real fans.
 

Echuta

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I think it'll be a cool experience but I don't know if it will be that popular. For most people sporting events are about the result rather than the action, and most people will choose to watch a show with their mates instead of having a better viewing experience.
I still think it would open avenues for events that are near impossible to attend (super bowl, the Masters, World Cup, Olympics, etc...). It's those type of things that I wouldnt mind paying a small fee to have a virtual best seat in the house. I do enjoy going to the bar and watching with a crowd of supporters but there are times I just want to watch sports in my boxers at home.
 

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Sporting events are for the atmosphere, friends and the whole experience. I think the experience of VR watching football would be excellent if it was just me on my couch which it often is these days. Running replays from the players POV and all the other gimmicks is great. Especially all the viewing angles.

But again it's mostly a gimmick. TV has the production quality of views down pretty good 99% of the time.

Plus sitting in my living room with goggles for 3 hours seems dumb.
 

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For those of you that do have one of the kits, what is your use time with it like? Do you use it for hours at a time even?
 

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It depends on how prone you are to motion sickness.

If you are not, it's pretty much like wearing ski goggles imo.

The old kits had terrible design tho, a lot of people complained it cut into their nose because there was no padding on it.
 

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For those of you that do have one of the kits, what is your use time with it like? Do you use it for hours at a time even?
No, more than 20 minutes and I get sick. The low resolution and poor quality motion tracking on the current kits, and I have both DK1 and 2 to play with, are not good enough for me to use for very long. I'll be buying both the Valve and CV1 and hope to get more use out of them.
 

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I haven't used it much. I had some developer aspirations for it that I never executed on because I haven't cared enough.

Using it has also been a bit of a hassle because of technical issues. It'd be nice if I could sit down, download 12 demo's and just cut through them. But instead I download a demo, often spend half an hour getting the fucking thing to work halfway decent and rarely does it approach a point where it's good enough to enjoy. It seems like each new SDK breaks demo's, and people oftne don't update their projects to the latest SDK, so it's just a hassle all around.
 

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Tuco can you patch a signal from a FPV Camera to a Oculus? (Like from a fpv drone camera)
 

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Of course, I think I've seen people do it, but there's a special headset people usually use that integrates the system together. The problem with the Rift is basically that with the Rift you want to be able to rotate your head, so you need a Pan/tilt mount for the camera. But that means there will be some serious latency between the two systems.

The only way to really do it is to use an array of cameras and transmit the video to the user regardless of where the user is pointed. We actually did a project with this in 2011, but this was before the Rift.
 

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I want a drone with a vr camera attached that I can control while looking out of its camera via VR. Can you imagine how badass that is going to be? I have a 2 story house with a walk out basement so the backside of it, the roof is 3 stories high. I can't get up there without killing myself but I get goddamned birds always fucking around in my gutters. With this setup I can fly up there virtually and see what they are doing, scare them off, etc.