Westworld

I think that was part of her programming to NOT take the train out of the park. I remember Bernard explaining to her how she was following along with her programming, and how she was supposed to get on the train, and I could swear he said "but" before she interrupted him and destroyed the tablet, as if he was gonna say "but, you get off the train prior to take off".

two moments I really liked in the finale - the little speech by dolores to william, about how her "species" is going to inherit the earth long after man is dust. Very Ozymandias and cool. The spotlight on Teddy holding Dolores in his arms was trippy on first viewing too, although when you start thinking about it, how the fuck does Ford know all that shit is gonna go down that way and Dolores will get stabbed by William, etc.

Its too bad the phrase "These violent delights have violent ends" isn't used more ... artfully, the entire quote from Romeo and Juliet is really beautiful and while having it be some sort of backdoor awake code would be cliche and awful, Bernard just sort of mumbling it at the end is a bit weird. The first scene in episode 1 where Dolores' father says it is one of the greatest moments of the show, and I love every time one of the hosts starts reciting old poetry from humanity, but makes it sound all sinister and shit

And here I guessed it was "Park 1" because it was the first one.

Don't I feel fucking retarded now?

Adebisi said:

My only real issue with the finale was it was almost all expository dialog.

Should've been more show, less tell.

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Yeah, I thought the exact same thing. I really, really hate it when the writers/directors treat the audience like they're idiots (I suppose some are, like H.A. Monkey and Warflagon). Yes, we all now know that William is the Man in Black, you don't have to jam it down our throats for ten minutes and grab our hands and walk us through all the previous moments that lead to that conclusion.

Also, and I said this before, but I watched the episode again and I fucking hate that William didn't kill Logan in the park and make it look like an accident. I'm just not buying that Bill strolls into father in law's office on Monday and says "your son's an incompetent weirdo, so I'm taking over the company."

etchazz said:

Yeah, I thought the exact same thing. I really, really hate it when the writers/directors treat the audience like they're idiots (I suppose some are, like H.A. Monkey and Warflagon). Yes, we all now know that William is the Man in Black, you don't have to jam it down our throats for ten minutes and grab our hands and walk us through all the previous moments that lead to that conclusion.

Also, and I said this before, but I watched the episode again and I fucking hate that William didn't kill Logan in the park and make it look like an accident. I'm just not buying that Bill strolls into father in law's office on Monday and says "your son's an incompetent weirdo, so I'm taking over the company."

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I honestly think few people would have figured out the dual-time loop, MiB = William theory without the internet. At least not as early as most did. But most of us, provided the evidence, could elucidate the reveal. The real shocker are those who, provided the evidence, are still too obtuse to believe in it, or to figure it out. And for those people, of whom I am sure are plentiful, you need the exposition at the end in order for them to truly grasp the MiB = William reveal. Honestly, if you didn't LITERALLY have William put on the hat only to turn into MiB, there would still be idiots out there arguing that they are two separate people.

As for William not making Logan's death look like an accident.....how do we know that isn't what happened? Last we saw, Logan was tied naked to a horse sent galloping to the end of the park. For all we know, he was found dead later on, there is no link to William, and his death was ruled some sort of accident. This would allow William's ascent in the company. Maybe his wife is the true CEO on paper, but with William's personality change to becoming a more assertive individual instead of a milquetoast, then it would be very easy to see how William manipulates the company from behind the scenes to eventually take over the reins from his wife once his father-in-law passes away.

Mizake said:

I honestly think few people would have figured out the dual-time loop, MiB = William theory without the internet. At least not as early as most did. But most of us, provided the evidence, could elucidate the reveal. The real shocker are those who, provided the evidence, are still too obtuse to believe in it, or to figure it out. And for those people, of whom I am sure are plentiful, you need the exposition at the end in order for them to truly grasp the MiB = William reveal. Honestly, if you didn't LITERALLY have William put on the hat only to turn into MiB, there would still be idiots out there arguing that they are two separate people.

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Partway through the episode, I was really looking forward to making a smart ass post about how, "Yeah, but I mean, William probably still isn't the MiB, right guys!?" But they really went so hamfisted with it, it wouldn't have been worthwhile.

Adebisi said:

My only real issue with the finale was it was almost all expository dialog.

Should've been more show, less tell.

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2 things I really didn't like about the finale:

a) The gun fights between the guards and the 2 hosts. Just felt really unrealistic, even in this fantasy setting.

b) The dialogue between MiB and Dolores. To me it seemed like they(writers) felt they had to dumb it down for some of the audience and I just thought it fell flat.

Great 10 episodes of TV all in all. Who knows where they're going to go for season 2. They laid out a pretty incredible foundation though with season 1. Sky is the limit imho, depending on their budget of course.

All the talk of the 'mainland' makes you wonder what/where the park really is. Some kind of island? Planet? Just seems like a weird terminology for something just tucked away in the American Southwest or something.

Faltigoth said:

All the talk of the 'mainland' makes you wonder what/where the park really is. Some kind of island? Planet? Just seems like a weird terminology for something just tucked away in the American Southwest or something.

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I can say with almost complete certainty that it's not on Earth.

My guess would be a planet/moon completely devoted to this.

If manikins can wear clothes and they're not even on the level, then why can't these fatass robots sleeping on floor 82. rediculous

Kiroy said:

Completely agree, very cringy as far as action type stuff goes. And I think they shot themselves in the foot with highlighting the hyper security of the park(s) in the first few episodes when it ultimately turned out to be completely untrue.

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Yeah, I definitely thought they could've done a lot more with killing off the security in the park. Like, Maeve can pretty much do anything at that point, so how about if instead of just recoding two hosts, she reprograms 200 or so and they just overwhelm the guards? Would've made it much more believable. I really loved the show, but it was almost like they were getting bored by the end and just phoned it in. A couple of touchups to the script and it could've been one of the greatest TV shows ever.