Westworld
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Pretty fail for slanty eye train engineers. Bodies are so soft and not nearly sturdy enough to support a train!
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spronk
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It was for people who really love Blazing Saddles and want to recreate the opening cart scene
What do you mean? It seems to fit together. Logan got interested in Ford/Arnold's ideas after he saw how advanced their hosts were. He only saw Westworld as a cool theme park and viewed Billy as just a dumbass corporate yes man. William only became the man he is after Westworld changed him, presumably he slowly developed the ideas about immortality and copying real people and maybe replacing them IRL.
pharmakos
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mainly what doesn't add up is the timing of it.... Ford and Arnold needed the investment from the Deloses in order to build up the park, and yet by the time Logan is taking Billy through for the first time, the park is already built up enough that there are entire armies of ~end-game-content style stuff at the edge of the park that even Logan had never seen before. and then it was only AFTER that that Billy talked Jim Delos into investing even further than Logan already had.
just seems like way too much content considering they were still trying to get further investments from the Deloses. last night when i was watching what i thought was Episode 5 Logan even mentioned that he and his father were only at the point where they were considering investing.... tho today i can't seem to find the scene i'm thinking about while flipping back through.
i admit that it's fuzzy enough that they maybe could make it all work, but it just seems like it requires a whole lot of shoehorning to make it all fit.
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pharmakos
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found it, was earlier in the episode than i remember...
s01e05:
Logan: Some of the park feels like it was designed by committee or market-tested, but everything out here is more raw. But it doesn't come cheap. Rumor is they are hemorrhaging cash. We're considering buying them out.
but at that point, the park is thriving, full of hundreds of hosts and guests.... however, s02e02 makes it sound like everything involving hosts is really hush hush...
Logan: Nobody can do this. Nobody's even... (CHUCKLES) We're not... here yet. Nobody is.
Host Hostess: We're here, Mr. Delos. All our hosts are here. For you.
with the number of people already attending the park in the season 1 flashbacks, and the number of hosts/storylines/locations already developed, it doesn't seem at all like things would be as under the radar as they make it sound when pitching the idea to Logan. how was so much of the park already built if they still needed the Delos' investment?
s01e05:
Logan: Some of the park feels like it was designed by committee or market-tested, but everything out here is more raw. But it doesn't come cheap. Rumor is they are hemorrhaging cash. We're considering buying them out.
but at that point, the park is thriving, full of hundreds of hosts and guests.... however, s02e02 makes it sound like everything involving hosts is really hush hush...
Logan: Nobody can do this. Nobody's even... (CHUCKLES) We're not... here yet. Nobody is.
Host Hostess: We're here, Mr. Delos. All our hosts are here. For you.
with the number of people already attending the park in the season 1 flashbacks, and the number of hosts/storylines/locations already developed, it doesn't seem at all like things would be as under the radar as they make it sound when pitching the idea to Logan. how was so much of the park already built if they still needed the Delos' investment?
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Malakriss
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I would expect only Westworld was open, none of the other parks so they were making pitches not just for first customer sales but also to solicit investments ("Hey what we got is way better than VR! Get in on the ground floor.") Logan invests a bit and goes through a few times like the other investors but it isn't until Billy's 1st time where he has the life changing experiences that he convinces Jim with the farming personal data stuff to buy it out.
They effectively were Moviepass with an awesome service, got a bunch of investors who helped them beta test and then Delos ended up being the investor going all-in to become the owner. All of the immortality and people in host bodies stuff would be after the buyout.
They effectively were Moviepass with an awesome service, got a bunch of investors who helped them beta test and then Delos ended up being the investor going all-in to become the owner. All of the immortality and people in host bodies stuff would be after the buyout.
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pharmakos
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there is only a pretty narrow explanation for hundreds of guests being there already, when the initial sales pitch to Logan seemed so hush hush. he seemed to be pretty aware of what the current state of cutting edge technology was, and he had no idea that hosts that complex could already exist. i don't see how hundreds of park guests could keep that quiet.
it is possible, just not very believable. maybe i'm sounding too nitpicky -- i'm not, i actually enjoyed episode 3, shitty battle scene and all. and will still be able to enjoy the show despite this seeming incongruity.
it is possible, just not very believable. maybe i'm sounding too nitpicky -- i'm not, i actually enjoyed episode 3, shitty battle scene and all.
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OU Ariakas
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there is only a pretty narrow explanation for hundreds of guests being there already, when the initial sales pitch to Logan seemed so hush hush. he seemed to be pretty aware of what the current state of cutting edge technology was, and he had no idea that hosts that complex could already exist. i don't see how hundreds of park guests could keep that quiet.
it is possible, just not very believable. maybe i'm sounding too nitpicky -- i'm not, i actually enjoyed episode 3, shitty battle scene and all.
Logan has obviously been to the park multiple times before his visit with Billy. They could have been an investor during the growth phase and now want to buy it out since WW was running out of funds.
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Fight
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I don't understand how this Westworld version of immortality, where you just copy and upload someones thoughts, memories, and personality into a robot would satisfy anyone.
It would be like if I had a historical piece of paper I wanted preserved forever. Your solution was to run it over to the nearest copy machine, run it through and present it to me with a shit eating grin. I would call you a retard and tell you to GTFO.
Or if someone told you that they raised Abe Lincoln from the dead. Then they showed you a computer program that spoke like him, talked like him, and even had uncanny thoughts and mannerisms like him. You should say "cool, good work, but that is not fucking Abe Lincoln."
Why would Delos give a fuck about the "immortality" that Logan and William were selling?
It would be like if I had a historical piece of paper I wanted preserved forever. Your solution was to run it over to the nearest copy machine, run it through and present it to me with a shit eating grin. I would call you a retard and tell you to GTFO.
Or if someone told you that they raised Abe Lincoln from the dead. Then they showed you a computer program that spoke like him, talked like him, and even had uncanny thoughts and mannerisms like him. You should say "cool, good work, but that is not fucking Abe Lincoln."
Why would Delos give a fuck about the "immortality" that Logan and William were selling?
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pharmakos
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yeah, i agree, and this is a general complaint i've made before about people claiming we will eventually be able to upload consciousness IRL. seems it would at best be a "soulless" copy (either in the literal or figurative meaning of the word, take your pick). i cannot imagine a method by which it would be a legit "transfer" rather than a "copy."
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Kiroy
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it is bothersome, but for all intents and purposes if it's a perfect copy it doesn't really matter