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DickTrickle

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There's no universal hand sign that says "Sorry, I fucked up". Maybe if there was...
Yeah, maybe there's not an agreed one but I'm pretty sure honking and flipping the bird back is not a "my bad". Fucking pedestrians do the flipping bird all the time too when they're doing stupid stuff that almost gets them hurt. It boggles my mind how they think they have cause for it (and I'm not even talking borderline cases here -- something like being in the wrong lane when there's no obstruction in the correct lane is pretty black and white).

If I do something stupid, I'll give a hand wave, like a basketball player acknowledging they made the foul.
 

AngryGerbil

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Brutal. I had a lasik guy tell me he was going to charge an extra 300 if i used my hsa debit card to pay him. Rustled.
Back up. Wait, what?

Why is this? HSA was forced upon me by my employer and lauded as the 'Savior of All Healthcare' by my constituent voters. I am happy with my HSA on the surface of things, but not if this kind of shit is happening. WTF sir? I ask you, W, T, F?
 

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Probably because of the fees they get charged. I'm not sure it's entirely legal for them to pass those fees onto the consumer when they use a credit card. However, using a debit card (which is what he said) is a different set of laws.

Bottom line, try telling them to run it as a credit card.
 

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Back up. Wait, what?

Why is this? HSA was forced upon me by my employer and lauded as the 'Savior of All Healthcare' by my constituent voters. I am happy with my HSA on the surface of things, but not if this kind of shit is happening. WTF sir? I ask you, W, T, F?
It's the "best thing ever" for everyone BUT the client using it. Kind of like: IRAs, 401ks, and other tax deferred accounts: Gov't wins, not the person saving.
 

Hoss

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Bullshit, HSA is the best thing ever for me (a client using it). Maybe we need to move this into the politics thread, but I wonder what problem you could have with it unless you're a mooch who wants more from a plan than you put in.
 

Khane

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Probably because of the fees they get charged. I'm not sure it's entirely legal for them to pass those fees onto the consumer when they use a credit card. However, using a debit card (which is what he said) is a different set of laws.

Bottom line, try telling them to run it as a credit card.
Interchange fees are higher on credit cards than they are on debit cards so that wouldn't make much sense. I don't think it's legal for them to gouge prices by $300 unless you're talking about a $30k procedure (debit card interchange fees are typically a flat rate of about $1.50 + 1.15% of the transaction cost credit card interchange fees range from 1.5% to 3%+).

I've never run into a provider that refused to accept debit card as payment nor have I run into one who charged extra for doing so. Most providers are just happy to get paid truth be told. It's interesting you guys have so much trouble with them.
 

Picasso3

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Yeah i love my hsa. The guy was old as fuck and crochety. He would only take cash or cashiers check, actually.
 

Picasso3

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He was actually giving me a discount and then when i said ok i have 2400 in my hsa i want to use he said well then you don't get a discount.
 

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If I recall correctly an HSA (Health Savings Account) is linked to your insurance, typically Obama care or similar types of healthcare (high deductible style) - while a FSA (Flexible Spending Account) is "used" in a similar manner but not linked to insurance- meaning you can have one and not have health insurance per say. Both are generally used and funded in order to take care of common and predictable medical expenses- such as if I know I have a monthly prescription of whatever that's 10$ a month, I should fund my HSA or FSA with 120$ to cover that and also get a 120$ tax shelter at the same time- this is mostly lined up to cover the high deductible with "most" now "common" healthcare styles- if your deductible is 500 per visit and caps at 5k in the year, they typically "suggest" you fund your HSA with 5000$ in the beginning and then depending on rollover rules keep the balance there or close- again depending on other predictable medical expenses.

When the doc heard HSA - that means the charge usually is going to be associated with a insurance claim, and as we know when a Doc does that- its the insurance agreed price that's going to be used- if its NOT an HSA but a FSA card- it acts more like a "regular" card and you have to (depending on the vendor) provide documentation with the FSA vendor to prove the charge falls within the acceptable charges. And that is why, most likely- the Doc had to charge you "full price" versus a discounted rate when using an HSA.
 

Khane

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If I recall correctly an HSA (Health Savings Account) is linked to your insurance, typically Obama care or similar types of healthcare (high deductible style) - while a FSA (Flexible Spending Account) is "used" in a similar manner but not linked to insurance- meaning you can have one and not have health insurance per say. Both are generally used and funded in order to take care of common and predictable medical expenses- such as if I know I have a monthly prescription of whatever that's 10$ a month, I should fund my HSA or FSA with 120$ to cover that and also get a 120$ tax shelter at the same time- this is mostly lined up to cover the high deductible with "most" now "common" healthcare styles- if your deductible is 500 per visit and caps at 5k in the year, they typically "suggest" you fund your HSA with 5000$ in the beginning and then depending on rollover rules keep the balance there or close- again depending on other predictable medical expenses.

When the doc heard HSA - that means the charge usually is going to be associated with a insurance claim, and as we know when a Doc does that- its the insurance agreed price that's going to be used- if its NOT an HSA but a FSA card- it acts more like a "regular" card and you have to (depending on the vendor) provide documentation with the FSA vendor to prove the charge falls within the acceptable charges. And that is why, most likely- the Doc had to charge you "full price" versus a discounted rate when using an HSA.
HSAs are not linked to anything. They are your own personal account and you can use them forever until the account is closed regardless of employer or insurance provider. You do not need health insurance to have an HSA. You can even use the money to buy a TV, you'll just have to pay the gubmint the tax difference since it isn't a qualified healthcare purchase.
 

Siliconemelons

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HSAs are not linked to anything. They are your own personal account and you can use them forever until the account is closed regardless of employer or insurance provider. You do not need health insurance to have an HSA. You can even use the money to buy a TV, you'll just have to pay the gubmint the tax difference since it isn't a qualified healthcare purchase.
HSA = You are in a High Deductible Health Plan... and you technically can use the money for non medical if you really wanted to enjoy the 20% penalty. And they are "your" account more so than a FSA- and the funds roll over- it is a way better "deal" than FSA but again- its for the high deductible plans- most others will use FSA as provided and both really are for tax sheltering reasons- unless the employer does a match or some other program into the HSA.

This is mostly from working in HR...but here are other references.

Health savings vs. flexible spending accounts
FSA vs. HSA: What You Need to Know for Health Care - DailyFinance
HRA vs HSA vs FSA vs PRA Comparison Chart
Who qualifies to have an HSA (Health Savings Account)? Knowledgebase
 

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HSA's can only be contributed to if you're in a qualifying High deductible insurance plan. They are not used the same as Flex plans because you have a maximum you can put in every year which, in my experience, is lower than your max out of pocket for the year. So it's a little bit of a gamble when you start an HSA that you might have some extra out of pocket expenses. The tax shelter for planned expenses thing describes the flex, not the HSA.

I'm pretty sure the penalty is higher than 20% for using HSA funds for non Health expenses. At the very least it gets added to your income, so you have to pay normal taxes. Maybe there's an extra 20% that you're talking about though.

To bring this back around, my HSA card is one of those fake Visa cards, so it can be run either as debit or Visa. When my wife had a flex card, it was just a Visa with no debit option. A few years ago, there were laws against charging credit card users the fees that vendors get charged for accepting them, but there was no such protection for debit cards. People used to be sly about it and claim they had cash discounts instead, but frankly people are so blatant these days I think either the law must have changed or there was a SCOTUS decision I missed.
 

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Since we're speaking of all this shit in the jimmy thread, recently I found out that I can't use my limited flex money for what I'd planned to use it for and wha tI'd been using it for for the past 2 years. It was explained to me that I could use it for anything medical that the insurance would not cover. I'm doing immunotherapy and the insurance won't cover it because I'm doing drops instead of weekly injections (that's a whole other jimmy rustle that they cover the more dangerous form of the treatment). So last week when I went to pick up my drops, the shit suddenly gets rejected and the cunt on the phone says over and over again limited flex can only be used for dental and vision.

Fucking lying whores. I fucking asked the HR person and the rep for the benefits company directly if this was covered and they said yes. Just like regular flex, once you sign up, you have no choice to stop the contributions. I'm going to see if I can prepay for some dental care.
 

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Sharing a room with 3 other guys right now. I don't know why the motherfuckers can't keep their soap and shampoo out of the shower. There's not room for 4 sets of it. I take mine out every night, I don't get why others can't show the same courtesy.

I'm going to piss on them if they're still there tonight.

OK, I probably wont, but I'll think about it and it will make me smile.
 

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Sharing a room with 3 other guys right now. I don't know why the motherfuckers can't keep their soap and shampoo out of the shower. There's not room for 4 sets of it. I take mine out every night, I don't get why others can't show the same courtesy.

I'm going to piss on them if they're still there tonight.

OK, I probably wont, but I'll think about it and it will make me smile.
I was in this situation years ago with a gay guy, straight guy, and a girl all living with me in a 3 bedroom house.

Put nair in the shampoo, or some form of hair dye, and watch the hilarity ensue.
 

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Probably because of the fees they get charged. I'm not sure it's entirely legal for them to pass those fees onto the consumer when they use a credit card. However, using a debit card (which is what he said) is a different set of laws.

Bottom line, try telling them to run it as a credit card.
Sorry for the slight derail, and I don't know specifically about these HSA cards they are talking about, but they recently changed/clarified the regulations so that all the credit card processing fees are now allowed to be passed on to the consumer should the business choose to do so.
 

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Thanks for the info. I will stop worrying about that.
 

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one more thing in the no fucks given file , thanks for paying all my health vision dental medication bills till death do us part , you stupid tax donkeys