Wheel of Time

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Damn, Homelander is looking rough

In reference to the Seanchan, there were immediate, glaring, changes as well as underlying tones. If I remember it correctly from the books, the ones bound (forget the term) were never portrayed as liking what they were doing.

The not so subtle skin tones they used for the two linked (?) also stood way out. Maybe the books implied that but it's not what I pictured when reading it.

Daeme or something like that. They were also collared and leashed, instead of having a big gold pacifier in their mouths.

It’s been a while since I read the books. The show is so drastically different from what I recall of the books that I’m just watching it to see the world brought to life.

I don't know if they will add it later, but there is so much missing from their initial run-in with the sea folk. Not to mention the big brawl in the sky. I have to believe they will at least put that in there somewhere.

as non-book reader, still think it is ok mostly, this season going better than 1.

As a book reader, its hard to watch. So many baffling changes and the casting is generally pretty bad. Rand and Moiraine are generally fine to me, but the rest just do not fit the book very well at all.

Isn’t the original forsaken hanging with the seachan thought to be the dark one, but was some other nerdlips forsaken instead?

Rod-138 said:

Isn’t the original forsaken hanging with the seachan thought to be the dark one, but was some other nerdlips forsaken instead?

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In the first book, the three boys have recurring nightmares where they believe they see the Dark One, who calls himself Ba'alzamon (Heart of the Dark in the old tongue), the name the Trollocs use for the Dark One (the Dark One's true name is Shaitan but saying it out loud sometimes has unpleasant consequences).

It is only after Rand fights Ba'alzamon at the Eye of the World and seemingly defeats him that they realize he was never the Dark One, but Ishamael (Betrayer of Hope in the old tongue), one of the the Dark One's most devoted lieutenants who was imprisoned with the other Forsaken but closer to the surface and thus was able to break out before any others. He pretented to be the Dark One to gather darkfriends and monsters alike, but seemingly ended up believing his own lies and deluded himself into believing he was the real deal.

In the Age of Legends 3000 years ago, he was called Elan Morin Tedronai and was Lews Therin Telamon's (the Dragon) most bitter rival. He was the one to cure the Dragon's madness briefly so that the Dragon could realize he had killed his own wife and children in his madness caused by the Dark One's counterattack, thus causing the Dragon to unleash his powers and shatter the world.

Later in the books, Ishamael is brought back to life by the Dark One to serve again as Nae'blis, the de factor leader of the Forsaken, under the name Moridin (Death in the old tongue).

Many Forsaken are destroyed and brought back by the Dark One throughout the books, there are only rare circumstances where they cannot be brought back at all.

Wasn't really looking for square jaws until I snapped that picture of the blond, in episode 3. Is the casting director selecting for jawline?

Burns said:

Wasn't really looking for square jaws until I snapped that picture of the blond, in episode 3. Is the casting director selecting for jawline?

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I said she was the lunch lady bro, what more do you want?

OU Ariakas said:

It's amazing to me that studios are ok with morons taking the popular book/comic/game that is great because of the story and then making it almost unrecognizeable. They all lack the small amount of critical thinking necessary for them to understand that the thing is great because of all the combined elements, not in spite of them. But, of course, these retards just cannot help but fuck things up.

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Spoiled kids in the Hollywood business. Of course they would be vane and fuck things up.

ah thanks, I thought the battle in the sky fight was with a false dark one, but it’s been many years and many beers since that was read

Rod-138 said:

ah thanks, I thought the battle in the sky fight was with a false dark one, but it’s been many years and many beers since that was read

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It was. That was Ba'alzamon/Ishamael. But, it didn't happen in the first book. At the EotW they fight two completely different Forsaken. Also, the only thing from the last episode of Season 1 that actually happened in the books was that the Trollocs attacked at Tarwin's Gap. We're not even talking switching things around a bit. It's all different. And terrible. Which is part of the problem. The changes without fail make things worse. It's just not interesting at all. Rafe isn't just a dick and a faggot, he also has zero talent.

OU Ariakas said:

It's amazing to me that studios are ok with morons taking the popular book/comic/game that is great because of the story and then making it almost unrecognizeable. They all lack the small amount of critical thinking necessary for them to understand that the thing is great because of all the combined elements, not in spite of them. But, of course, these retards just cannot help but fuck things up.

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One thing that made game of thrones so good was they stuck pretty close to the source material until they ran out of source material and the show turned to shit.

Jordan's books are great and would make a great show if they stuck to the source material. They didn't and we got a big pile of shit

Raes said:

It was. That was Ba'alzamon/Ishamael. But, it didn't happen in the first book. At the EotW they fight two completely different Forsaken. Also, the only thing from the last episode of Season 1 that actually happened in the books was that the Trollocs attacked at Tarwin's Gap. We're not even talking switching things around a bit. It's all different. And terrible. Which is part of the problem. The changes without fail make things worse. It's just not interesting at all. Rafe isn't just a dick and a faggot, he also has zero talent.

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No, he fought baalzamon in both. In eye of the world Aginor and Balthamel appear, the green man kills Balthamel and Rand kills Aginor by channeling from the Eye. He’s then transported (book never explains how) to the battle going on in Tarwins Gap. There he channels more, not really knowing what he is doing and destroys a good chunk of the shadow spawn army. He then sees steps into the air (again, no explanation how or why) and climbs them until he reaches a door that takes him to the room where he had been seeing the dark one in his dreams. He chats with baalzamon, he frees his mother’s ghost (?) and then channels and “kills” Baalzemon. He runs out of juice at the end, falls to the ground, and wakes up back at they eye.

Honestly the end of Book 1 doesn’t make a whole lot of sense given what we learn of how things work in the later books.

Ritley said:

No, he fought baalzamon in both. In eye of the world Aginor and Balthamel appear, the green man kills Balthamel and Rand kills Aginor by channeling from the Eye. He’s then transported (book never explains how) to the battle going on in Tarwins Gap. There he channels more, not really knowing what he is doing and destroys a good chunk of the shadow spawn army. He then sees steps into the air (again, no explanation how or why) and climbs them until he reaches a door that takes him to the room where he had been seeing the dark one in his dreams. He chats with baalzamon, he frees his mother’s ghost (?) and then channels and “kills” Baalzemon. He runs out of juice at the end, falls to the ground, and wakes up back at they eye.

Honestly the end of Book 1 doesn’t make a whole lot of sense given what we learn of how things work in the later books.

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The reason why Rand can fly and teleport during the battle against Ba'alzamon is because it takes place entirely in Tel'haran'rhiod, the Dream World, which is where Bal'azamon was all this time, hence why he kept appearing in the three boys' dreams. He does those things without really knowing how because that's how the Dream World works for some, but what he does can affect the real world because he's the Dragon Reborn and and the most powerful ta'veren of his Age, so he just fucks the rules. Reality bends around him. That's also why he then "wakes up" back at the Eye of the World despite fighting Ba'alzamon in the sky somewhere completely different.

One of the main theories about why Ishamael is still alive after the battle between Rand and Ba'alzamon is that Ba'alzamon was just an astral projection of Ishamael in the Dream World, which he could go to even when he was still imprisoned due to his proximity to the surface, and so when Ba'alzamon was killed by Rand, Ishamael only suffered some wounds.

OU Ariakas said:

It's amazing to me that studios are ok with morons taking the popular book/comic/game that is great because of the story and then making it almost unrecognizeable. They all lack the small amount of critical thinking necessary for them to understand that the thing is great because of all the combined elements, not in spite of them. But, of course, these retards just cannot help but fuck things up.

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Especially a retard showrunner that says he wants ugly people in main roles.

That goes against all Hollywood convention. Where are the oldschool studio executives with some spine? It's all bosses son bitch boys running things now.