Who died? (Celebrity Deaths)

Chukzombi said:

that Fentanyl is really cleaning up the aisles. people taking that shit are fucked, but they still take it.

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One thing to keep in mind is a lot of "traditional" street drugs, like heroin or cocaine, are being cut with Fentanyl to increase their potency. For example, whoever is supplying the cocaine, they might cut the cocaine with cheap filler that reduces its potency. So they make it stronger by adding a small amount of relatively cheap to make Fentanyl. So a cocaine user might buy their cocaine, go to use their usual amount, then end up dying because unknown to them it got cut with a bunch of Fentanyl.

Because Fentanyl-type drugs are so potent, it doesn't take very much at all to be deadly.

j00t said:

this is how you know drug addicts aren't really in control of their own faculties. in ANY OTHER industry, if someone uses a product and they die, anyone who's used or even thought about using that product gets all up in arms about it, suing left and right. if someone dies of drug use, every addict in that area goes NUTS looking for whatever dealer sold the drugs because "they must be really good." i know of dealers that purposely laced their product with stuff like sawdust, just to kill off one of their buyers because it would drive sales through the roof.

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They are in control, they just refuse to own up to that responsibility. They weren't high when they started down that road, and they aren't high 24/7 now. Getting clean might hurt and suck more than Foler at a Lil Wayne concert, but it is a choice they make every single time. Honestly, you could toss all the sellers and buyers into the wood chipper and nothing of value would be lost.

moonarchia said:

They are in control, they just refuse to own up to that responsibility. They weren't high when they started down that road, and they aren't high 24/7 now. Getting clean might hurt and suck more than Foler at a Lil Wayne concert, but it is a choice they make every single time. Honestly, you could toss all the sellers and buyers into the wood chipper and nothing of value would be lost.

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this is a pretty typical response from someone who just simply doesn't understand addiction. there are vast physical differences in the brain of someone with a substance use problem and someone who's never drank or used drugs. this isn't hippy dippy feel good "i feel like they just can't help themselves" reactionary nonsense, this is a medical fact that you can see on MRI's and CT scans. they aren't just impaired while they are high, they are impaired period. yes, you're right in that at SOME point they were in full control and chose to use, but people don't just wake up one day and go "hey, i think i'd like to try heroin." there is a long series of events that lead to that. some of those events are poor choices, but most of those events are impaired choices. there is a significant and specific difference.

j00t said:

this is a pretty typical response from someone who just simply doesn't understand addiction. there are vast physical differences in the brain of someone with a substance use problem and someone who's never drank or used drugs. this isn't hippy dippy feel good "i feel like they just can't help themselves" reactionary nonsense, this is a medical fact that you can see on MRI's and CT scans. they aren't just impaired while they are high, they are impaired period. yes, you're right in that at SOME point they were in full control and chose to use, but people don't just wake up one day and go "hey, i think i'd like to try heroin." there is a long series of events that lead to that. some of those events are poor choices, but most of those events are impaired choices. there is a significant and specific difference.

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No, I am well aware of how prolonged drug use fucks up brain chemistry. That's what makes it harder to quit. However, they started down the road on their own and they can choose to stop at any point as well. Impaired or not. They continue to choose the drugs. They knew where the road ended when they started, so fuck em. Right in the ass with a dildo made of used syringes and broken crack pipes.

moonarchia said:

No, I am well aware of how prolonged drug use fucks up brain chemistry. That's what makes it harder to quit. However, they started down the road on their own and they can choose to stop at any point as well. Impaired or not. They continue to choose the drugs. They knew where the road ended when they started, so fuck em. Right in the ass with a dildo made of used syringes and broken crack pipes.

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again, this is the response of someone who not only doesn't fundamentally understand addiction, but chooses dispassion and ignorance. at least people with addiction have impaired functioning, what's your excuse?

j00t said:

again, this is the response of someone who not only doesn't fundamentally understand addiction, but chooses dispassion and ignorance. at least people with addiction have impaired functioning, what's your excuse?

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Found the junkie.

Gravel said:

Found the junkie.

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no you found the substance abuse counselor

moonarchia said:

However, they started down the road on their own and they can choose to stop at any point as well. Impaired or not. They

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You do realize a big contributor to the opioid epidemic was over prescribing of pain meds? Some gets hurt, they get some pain pills, use them, then suddenly discover they have to keep using them

j00t said:

again, this is the response of someone who not only doesn't fundamentally understand addiction, but chooses dispassion and ignorance. at least people with addiction have impaired functioning, what's your excuse?

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Nah, no ignorance, but yes dispassion. The addict is responsible for getting addicted in the first place, period. If they can manage it without destroying the people around them then good for them. If not, they are wasting oxygen.

Cybsled said:

You do realize a big contributor to the opioid epidemic was over prescribing of pain meds? Some gets hurt, they get some pain pills, use them, then suddenly discover they have to keep using them

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One of the few cases where there are mitigating circumstances. Doesn't negate responsibility, but does spread the blame.

moonarchia said:

One of the few cases where there are mitigating circumstances. Doesn't negate responsibility, but does spread the blame.

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No one is trying to negate responsibility, but man, you seem fixated on assigning blame. Did you have an addict in your life hurt you or something?

RIP Dale

Araysar said:

Every single person who quit drugs, quit drugs by choosing to quit drugs

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That is a vast oversimplification. Yes, you have to make the choice to quit doing drugs ultimately, but it isn’t a light switch. You’re basically saying “I am choosing to subject myself to severe pain and a compromised mental state to work towards quitting drugs” depending on your dependence level. Going cold turkey can actually be risky in some circumstances and you have to gradually ween them off the substance. You need a degree of mental toughness to do that many times, which many people who get hooked on these substances lack.

Araysar said:

That's because this topic requires vast oversimplification.

Otherwise it gets filled up with bullshit spewed by leftists and "substance abuse counselors" which paints every drug addict as a victim and a hero of their own story, instead of being the weak useless piece of shit they really are.

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i've never called addicts victims. they aren't. and i'm not a leftist. in fact most of the people i worked with weren't. my job as a substance abuse counselor isn't fixing someone, because like you said, it requires the addict themselves to make the changes in their life. my job as a substance abuse counselor is helping the addict weed through all the events in their life that are actively working against them and helping them figure out the best way of addressing and making those changes. if you convince an alcoholic that they just need to stop drinking and it'll fix their problems, if they take that advice they can QUITE easily wind up dead within a few days. meanwhile, a heroin addict fears withdrawal like nothing else on earth, but legitimately no one ever died from opiate withdrawal (unless there were comorbidity issues). when i work with people who are about to go through withdrawal it's my job to explain to them what is going to happen, what the risks are and if their specific situation requires rehab or not.

substance abuse counseling ISN'T about convincing people they are victims, chances are they already think that. it's about helping them reclaim agency. hot tip, healthy people don't use drugs. so what SPECIFICALLY is going on with a person that is making them unhealthy. drugs aren't what make a person unhealthy, it's how unhealthy people try to self-medicate.