Woman who was getting her box munched on in public now claiming rape
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TrollfaceDeux
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I would argue that if both parties are drunk, neither is capable of giving, nor receiving consent. Many drunken one night stands will pass by without incident, despite the fact that it was 'mutual rape'. The problem arises when one party has an issue with this situation.
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You're asking me to prove that something didn't happen? There's a lot of things left unstated in this case right now, you're the one filling in the blanks however you want, not me.
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Lower your weapons dude. You seemed to imply that you had information that I did not. I just wanted it too.
Wonder where I got the impression that you had concrete evidence that she had, in fat, never rejected him:
"He's going by what's known of the case" - Famm
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People do not 'get charged' with rape, or any other crime, by some nebulous legal being. They get charged by their victim. If nobody has been victimized, then there is no charge. Get it?
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Famm
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As far as I'm concerned this social pressure shit shouldn't come into play legally unless it involved actual coercion. Guys saying "come on, you're hot, I really want you right now" to get her pants off after making out isn't forceful. Telling her you're going to tell all your friend's she's a slut and did whatever you wanted so she might as well give it up, sure I could see that as threatening. Its like trollfuck keep saying, you shouldn't broaden the definitions because there have been past injustices. That doesn't rectify anything. We can't have a legal standard of "well, shefeltreally threatened, even though there is no evidence of implied or literal threatening speech" that's fucking nonsense and its not "what lawyers are for" either. You either have evidence of crime or you don't, what happened that embodies any coercion?
TrollfaceDeux
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There is no victim if there is no criminal under legal context. There is alleged victim. Alleged victim charges alleged criminal. In this sense, there is no victim, nor there is criminal, under the eyes of the law, until proven otherwise.
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Ok, let me rephrase since you're dodging the point. You're literally saying its impossible for two people to have sex while they are both drunk without it being two instances of rape? You just did say it actually, I quoted you. Answer yes or no, or admit its a stupid thing to say, no backpedaling rationalizations. Fuck man, even Tanoomba isn't going that far.
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That is exactly what I'm saying. Just because one, or both parties, are fine with having unconsented sex, does not mean it did not happen, and does not mean there was no wrongdoing.
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So now that you've removed personal responsibility while intoxicated from any decisions regarding sex how does this reasoning fit in with regards to DUI?
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I know understand why people trend conservative as they get older. That shit is so crazy it makes me want to vote Republican.
No victims no mens rea but hey, double rape mutual wrongdoing for everyone.
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Meh, people are making it out to be a lot crazier a concept than it actually is. Sex without consent carries with it a danger of being construed as rape. Consent cannot be given in certain situations - either while intoxicated, or under duress, or if the party is too young etc. It can't be received while intoxicated either.
If you want to have consensual sex, have it when you and your partner are sober enough to recognize it, and agree to it.
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Skanda
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So now that you've removed personal responsibility while intoxicated from any decisions regarding sex how does this reasoning fit in with regards to DUI?
Let's also expand this since you didn't answer the first time;
Guy gets drunk and beats his wife.
Bar fight.
Drunk and disorderly conduct.
I can go on...