WORLD CUP 2014 - BRAZIL

darkseid_sl

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Suarez is actually one of the most wasteful shot takers. But, he normally gets plenty of chances.

Today he was clinical in his finishing.
 

Springbok

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Pulling for the Japs, but am struggling to enjoy it. They are so fragile - technically very sound, but physically they are all lightweight women.
 

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... I blame Moyes again. Allowed LFC to fly too close to the sun, everyone forgot how poor a defensive unit LFC were. Their counter attacking threat and general attacking threat was the best. If only Terry & Cole didn't retire! I know they are old but it's not like England do any better if they don't play they don't gamble the next generation. Still, Moyes colossal fuck up season fucked over Carrick (PFA winner '13), but at least also removed any chances of Cleverly/Young being any where near the squad so it's not all bad.
 

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On a scale of 1-10, how big of a disappointment is a tie for a team playing a man up? Ignoring the standings of their group.
 

lurkingdirk

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Wow, Japan vs Greece was incredibly unsatisfying. Greece played like ass, and Japan couldn't capitalise on anything, even though they outplayed the Greeks. Bullshit officiating, too. The yellow/red cards were not called for.

Overall: meh.
 

Asshat Brando

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... I blame Moyes again. Allowed LFC to fly too close to the sun, everyone forgot how poor a defensive unit LFC were. Their counter attacking threat and general attacking threat was the best. If only Terry & Cole didn't retire! I know they are old but it's not like England do any better if they don't play they don't gamble the next generation. Still, Moyes colossal fuck up season fucked over Carrick (PFA winner '13), but at least also removed any chances of Cleverly/Young being any where near the squad so it's not all bad.
Carrick.... Hahahaahahahaha
 

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There are some weird tactical choices in this world cup: Spain plays Chile, a team were all but the keeper are well bellow 6', yet insist on playing on the ground. Japan plays Greece and they insist on playing crosses high in the air that the tall greek defenders catch 99.9% of the time...
 

Asshat Brando

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Ahaa yes you laugh but a certain Stevie G gift wrapping 2 goals is better alternative yea?
Gift wrapping? Pretty sure your ManUre tainted eyes are deceiving you in that I don't recall Stevie kicking the ball past Hart on his own. Both Savage and Rio were saying the CB's got it all wrong on both goals but hey, keep banging that drum for a player that even 3 years ago was invisible in the CL final but is still world class somehow.
 

Sebudai

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Japan plays Greece and they insist on playing crosses high in the air that the tall greek defenders catch 99.9% of the time...
Just came here to post this. It seemed like perpetual lobs that the Japanese players could not possibly get to before the Greek players.
 

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England needs to completely rebuild. Get rid of the all the old fuckers, starting with Rooney and Gerrard. Yes, I said it. Also, England needs to get a proper manager who understands modern football.
 

Ossoi

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. If only Terry & Cole didn't retire!
Cole didn't retire, he wasn't picked.

Terry retired from Intl football and the captaincy because the FA had the nerve to charge him for racially abusing Anton Ferdinand, the brother of his England defensive partner! How dare they!

Terry is a complete scumbag and the encapsulation of the word "cunt". There's enough stories around about his character to know, that if the England manager approached him and said "We need you", he would absolutely revel in turning them downChelsea news: John Terry '100 per cent' certain he won't make England World Cup return | Metro News

Saw this on an LFC forum, no idea if it's true but it gives you an insight into the twat

"Met a couple on holiday in Spain and she used to work as a fitness coach at Chelsea. Her husband (a Spurs fan) urged her to tell us about her time there. She told us that apart from Peter Cech and Ivanovic they are the most vile bunch of people she's ever met. She said those two were lovely blokes. Maureen and Abramovich can't stand each other and never meet face to face. Anyway, the main story she told us (and she was not gleeful or enjoying telling us, but was urged on by her hubby and me) - we had a shared hatred for them - was this:

A new woman began working at the club. An attractive single mother of a 7 year old boy. Within the first week John Terry had bet the squad he could bed her within a month. Two other players (sadly she wouldn't tell us who) took the bet and all three began a campaign of smarm and money-chucking to win the bet. She was warned away from them and even told of the bet, but she didn't believe it could be true. Anyway, her little boy was a Chelsea fan, so Terry began taking him to matches, getting him to meet players and get signed goodies, took him under his wing and this woman thought the sun shone out of his arse. He used the child until sure enough he bedded the woman and won the bet. Then he bragged about it all round the training ground, making a big deal about winning the bet, ignored not only her but her son too, and completely cut them out.

She was then humiliated on a regular basis as the other players tried it on with her until she left. Naive she may have been, and possibly a bit dumb, but still a pretty grim indictment of the man and the team he leads I thought.

Not that surprising but thought I'd share. "
 

Dyvim

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England needs to completely rebuild. Get rid of the all the old fuckers, starting with Rooney and Gerrard. Yes, I said it. Also, England needs to get a proper manager who understands modern football.
This. Exactly this, cause it doesnt matter what players you field if the match heads south all you rely on is kick n rush or passing high on some random striker.

But luckily the FA is full of old fucks who dont have any clue about modern football management and tactics, and will just sign some random dumbfuck one season wonder as manager yet again.
 

Quineloe

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On a scale of 1-10, how big of a disappointment is a tie for a team playing a man up? Ignoring the standings of their group.
an extra man doesn't really mean that much since it's still 9 vs 10. I'd say at best a 2. I don't know if there are any statistics on this (of course there are) but I think in our league, the odds of losing when down a man aren't significantly up over all matches.
 

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Came across this essay by kissinger on the national character of soccer teams and their strategies, interesting stuff.

Henry Kissinger: World Cup According to Character (1986)
I have been an avid soccer fan ever since my youth in Fuerth, a soccer-mad city of southern Germany, which for some inexplicable reason won three championships in a three-year period. My father despaired of a son who preferred to stand for two hours (there were very few seats) watching a soccer game rather than sit in the comfort at the opera or be protected from the elements in a museum.

Soccer evokes extraordinary passions, especially during the quadrennial World Cup competition ending today in Mexico City. It has been estimated that the Brazilian gross national product suffers a loss of hundreds of millions of dollars for every day Brazil plays, as rabid fans sit before television sets or radios. Statistics in other soccer citadels must be comparable.

Soccer lends itself to a competition of national teams because it requires an extraordinary combination of individual skill, teamwork and strategic sense. Since there are 11 players on each side engaged in continuous action, every game produces tactical necessities to be solved by improvisation on the playing field.

This was true even in my youth when soccer was much less complex and much more oriented to the offense. Then there were five forwards, three midfield players, two fullbacks and a goalie. The offense being numerically superior to the defense, goals were much more frequent then. By the late 1930s, managers sought to overcome this advantage by assigning the center half to shadow the opposing center forward. The creation of three de facto fullbacks constricted the attack which since time immemorial had been built around the center forward.

In the early 1950s, the Hungarians showed how to overwhelm this defense, turning their center forward into a decoy. He would move to the sidelines or toward midfield, drawing the shadowing defensive player out of position, creating an empty space in front of the goal.

But as in military strategy every offensive maneuver in soccer evokes a compensating defensive move. The answer to the roving center forward was a zone defense; defensive players were required to cover a certain area regardless of which player was attacking. Total soccer was invented soon thereafter; all players had to be able to defend as well as attack and to shift from one mode to another with extreme rapidity.

The modern style of soccer in fact emphasizes defense - with few exceptions like Brazil, Argentina and France. The basic alignment has become four defensive and four midfield players; the forwards have shrunk to two. Massed defenses can in general be overcome only by rapid thrusts involving very accurate passing. The result is a very tactical game, its complexity becoming a fascinating reflection of national attitudes.

The styles of leading soccer powers like West Germany, Brazil, Italy and England illustrate this point.

West Germany, a finalist today, is, with Italy and Brazil, the most successful team of the modern era. West German soccer entered the postwar era with no particular legacy. Postwar Germany's newly professional soccer being as novel as the frontiers of the state it represents, it could adopt total soccer with a vengeance. The German national team plays the way its general staff prepared for the war; games are meticulously planned, each player skilled in both attack and defense. Intricate pass patterns evolve, starting right in front of the German goal. Anything achievable by human foresight, careful preparation and hard work is accounted for.

And there have been great successes. Of the last six prior World Cups, Germany has won two, was second twice, third once and out of the running only in 1978. At the same time, the German national team suffers from the same disability as the famous Schlieffen plan for German strategy in World War I. There is a limit to human foresight; psychological stress on those charged with executing excessively complex maneuvers cannot be calculated in advance. If the German team falls behind, or if its intricate approach yields no results, its game is shadowed by the underlying national premonition that in the end even the most dedicated effort will go unrewarded, by the nightmare that ultimately fate is cruel - a nightmare reinforced by the knowledge that the German media are unmerciful when high expectations go unfulfilled. The impression is unavoidable that an outstanding national soccer team has not brought a proportionate amount of joy to a people that may not in its heart of hearts believe joy is the ultimate national destiny.

Brazil suffers no such inhibitions. Its national teams are an assertion that virtue without joy is a contradiction in terms. Brazilian teams display a contagious exuberance; Brazilian fans cheer them on to the ecstatic beat of samba bands. Brazil always has the most acrobatic players, the individuals one cannot forget whatever the outcome of the match. But, as in Brazil's political institutions, this individualism is combined with an extraordinary ability to make the practical arrangements required for effective national performance. As a result, Brazil has appeared in more World Cups and won more than any other team. It was eliminated in the quarterfinals of the current competition partly as a result of an egregious seeding placing Italy, the old World Cup holder; France, the European champion, and two potential champions - Brazil and West Germany - in the same half of a sudden-death elimination round, while the other half contained only one team, Argentina - today's other finalist - that has ever been in the final four.

To be sure, the Brazilians, being human, cannot avoid some weaknesses. The players sometimes are so intoxicated by their brilliant maneuvers that they occasionally forget the purpose of the exercise is to score goals. And I have never seen an outstanding Brazilian goal-keeper. Perhaps the task is too lonely; the goalkeeper after all has to stay put while his teammates enjoy themselves tracing clever pass patterns on the turf. Or perhaps the only purely defensive assignment on a team offends the Brazilian self-image.

Yet a Brazilian team on the attack - which is most of the time - looks like a dancing band at carnival. Wave after wave of yellow shirts roll against the opposing goal until the opposition is overwhelmed without being humiliated; it is no disgrace to be defeated by a team whose style no one else can imitate.

Italy's record places it among the top teams of world soccer although it fell victim to the same absurd seeding as Brazil. The Italian style reflects the national conviction, forged by the vicissitudes of an ancient history, that the grim struggle for survival must be based on a careful husbanding of energy for the main task. It presupposes a correct assessment of the opponent's character, paired with an unostentatious and matter-of-fact perseverance that obscures many intricate levels on which the competition takes place. The initial objective of Italian teams is to force the opponent out of his game plan, to wreck his concentration and to induce him to abandon his preferred style. In the early stages of a match, the Italian team tends to look destructive and purely defensive - a style achievable only by extreme toughness and discipline. But once the Italian team has imposed its pattern, it can play some of the most effective, even beautiful soccer in the world - though it will never waste energy simply on looking good.

No discussion of national soccer styles can be complete without reference to England. Before World War II and for nearly a decade after, England was clearly the dominant power. I say England, because for purposes of international soccer, the United Kingdom fields four teams: England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. A single United Kingdom team using the best players from each would be even more formidable.

The decline in the fortunes of the English team is, in my view, primarily caused by a refusal to adapt to the tactics of the modern era. Before World War II, the English team overwhelmed its opponents with speed, power and condition. But as defenses massed, the English quick-breaking style lost much of its effectiveness; as most of Europe went over to professional soccer, the advantage of superior conditioning eroded. Yet England refused to adapt its tactical plan to the passing game needed to break open the modern defense.

The English national team had never lost a game at home until 1954, when Hungary prevailed with its roving center forward. Since then, the English team has gradually declined. It is steady, reliable, tough. It never yields to panic. It is never defeated one-sidedly. It achieves everything attainable by character and tenacity. Regrettably - because I thought the pre-World War II game was more fun to watch - it has also been somewhat pedantic, as if in nostalgic thrall to a bygone era. England has never won a European championship; it has prevailed only once in the World Cup and that was 20 years ago playing before its own fans. All of us who enjoy England's muscular game hope that England's relative success in the current matches heralds a real revival.

The World Cup arouses passions because it involves both an athletic competition and a contest of national styles. It can be no accident that the most offensive-minded and elegant European team is France, only recently become a soccer power; that no team from a communist country (except Hungary, in 1954) has ever reached the World Cup finals or semifinals. Too much stereotyped planning destroys the creativity indispensable for effective soccer.

Soccer has never taken hold in the United States partly because neither a national team nor a national style has been encouraged. Still, as an unreconstructed fan, I hope for another attempt to popularize the sport, perhaps by holding the next World Cup slated for the Western Hemisphere (1994) in this country.
 

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Italy vs Costa Rica coming up. Should be a good game.

"Mario Balotelli... said he wanted a kiss from the Queen if he scores the winner today."

"Facebook have revealed that in just one week, more people had World Cup conversations on the social media site than the people who talked about this year's Super Bowl, Oscars and Sochi Olympics combined."

Italy v Costa Rica - BBC Sport