WORLD CUP 2014 - BRAZIL

Quineloe

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There are no lower divisions in the NFL, so if you don't make it in the Draft, your career is over. There are no professional leagues in Europe afaik, all the players here also work real jobs. There's also a limit on players from the USA here, you may only field two at a time. American Football seems much less of a nationwide played sport compared to Football here, but more of a giant entertainment machine consisting of the NFL, College Football and nothing else.
 

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There are no lower divisions in the NFL, so if you don't make it in the Draft, your career is over. There are no professional leagues in Europe afaik, all the players here also work real jobs. There's also a limit on players from the USA here, you may only field two at a time. American Football seems much less of a nationwide played sport compared to Football here, but more of a giant entertainment machine consisting of the NFL, College Football and nothing else.
This comes with a caveat as well. If you play for a big college football program and are a well known player you can get a very, very cushy job working in the city. Many ex-Buckeye players (a huge college football team) go on to do like corporate/public relations jobs in the city where they basically just play golf with clients all day and make $100k/yr.
 

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Football salaries in England (2013)

- Top earners in the Premier League can receive a salary of up to ?250,000 a week [even more now], but the average wage is about ?25,000 to ?30,000 a week.
- The average wage in the lowest professional league (four levels below the Premier) is ?1,300 to ?1,500 a week.
- This excludes bonuses for scoring, assists, qualifying for the Champions League, promotion, etc.

BBC Sport - Revealed: Whats contract?

Bear in mind there are 20 teams in the Premier League, and 24 teams in each of the three professional leagues below them. Each Premier League club can only select from 25 players each season, but their actual squad size can be higher (Crystal Palace had 34 players).

*edit* x the above by 1.7 for dollars
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In comparison to USA; do you have multiple local clubs for every town/village/area ? Do you have multiple leagues and divisions for each age group? Do you have coaching sessions available for each group, from trained soccer coaches? Does your local professional clubs have youth academies for the best of the best from local regions? (and when I say local professional, it doesn't have to mean an MLS team. But I guess your MLS teams are the only ones of its type, considering you only have 1 professional tier?). The way I see it, your sports structure is based around the school->college system where as the rest of the world uses local sports clubs from as young as possible up in a large multi tiered pyramid system.
Here is how the US works with our major sports and development(its mostly school-based)

NBA - Elite kids play both for their local high school, as well as an AAU team, which is basically a travelling club for the offseason. There are FAR less AAU teams than High School teams(probably 10s of thousands of high school teams, and maybe hundreds at most of AAU teams. The AAU circuit is for the elite only). After that point the only real options in the past have either been straight to the pros(NBA) if you are one of the 5-10 best players in the whole country, or you go to college, and there's 300+ Division 1 college teams in the US, and many, many lower division college teams, but all of the eventual NBA talent comes from the D-1 level). The NBA in recent years has created a Developmental League(D-League) which is basically like a minor-league system to develop players that are done with school, but not quite ready for the NBA yet.

NFL - all school. There are no elite club-like teams or development system. You go from high school(10,000+ teams) to college(120ish elite-level D1 teams) to NFL. That's it.

MLB - The most similar system to soccer in the rest of the world. The school route is available, Major Leage Baseball will draft players right from highschool or from college. At either point, players then go into the minor league system. There are HUNDREDS of minor league teams, of varying skill levels. Each of the 30 pro MLB teams has anywhere from 3-5 minor league teams. A, AA, AAA levels. Most players spend several years working through the minors, improving their game, before they are MLB/pro ready. Virtually nobody goes straight from being drafted, to a pro team, unlike the NBA or NFL where virtually everybody gets drafted straight into the pro teams.

So really, the US is kind of used to the school -> pro method of sports. Peoples local schools that they attend have traditionally been the source of their athletic training, not private clubs or private trainers. Obviously, the quality of the training that you receive from a school can vary WILDLY. From my personal experience, my high school had its head soccer coach(also a science teacher) who had spent some time playing professional indoor soccer in the US, so the quality of training that our team received was probably better than most, but obviously nowhere near the level of teams or clubs in Europe that are coached by former international players.

And honestly, the US doesn't really have a massive pool of ex players and coaches with international experience to set up a huge system of training clubs and facilities. We're getting there, but it takes time.

And none of our major sports in the US really fund training for young kids. There are no club teams with funding/ties to pro teams for kids that are ages 6-12 or so, it just doesn't start that young here in the US. Kids playing sports at those ages just do so at a local level, usually coordinated through their local town or neighborhood, coached by someones dad who may or may not have any actual knowledge of the sport, lol. Only the upper class(rich) families might have professional sports trainers for their kids(especially in sports like Tennis and Golf, individual sports) but kids in general don't have any access to professional tutelage at a young age here in the US.
 

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This has nothing do do with what he said.

Also, I'd put Lebrons flopping skills up against any other soccer player in the world.
Yes it does, he seems to think that being basketball player tall is advantageous to playing football.

Go look at the African teams at the World Cup - do you see any equivalents to Hakeem Olajuwon lining up for them? Of course not, because small, agile players like Messi would run rings around them

Please stop talking about sports that you cretins know nothing about.
 

Tenks

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MLB is weird because the minors are all connected to the pro team as well. I work with a guy who played NCAA BB and he was drafted by Seattle out of HS. He was basically given the option of playing in NCAA or playing professionally in their minor league system. But even while playing in the NCAA he was still "owned" by Seattle. So upon graduation he could have played in their minor league system if not for his knee he blew out.

I don't know if the other sports have a similar system. I have to assume so because the hockey system operates in a similar fashion in the states.
 

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This has nothing do do with what he said.
LOL, it just sunk in how stupid this comment was.

It's a fact that the taller players (6ft5+) are slower and not as good with the ball at their feet as other players. They basically serve one purpose, which is as a target man...someone to hold the ball up and make knock ons for other, smaller, faster players. Or to get on the end of crosses into the box.

This is a very outdated style of play and definitely not one that any elite team will utilise.

Hence me emphasising why it's called FOOTBALL, because it requires you to play the ball with your feet for the majority of the time.
 

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I agree in principle with what Ossoi is saying, not with his condescending tone though

Pumping balls into the box and relying on your tall players to create chances by headers is a viable but limited style of play that no one likes (team of reference: Stoke City FC) although you can carve out a niche for yourself if you are that kind of player (Peter Crouch) or play as a central defender as being tall is more or less a requirement (Per Mertesacker).
 

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wtf, another penalty?

Yeeeeeah, Spurs represent! Great defending by Vertonghen!
 

Ossoi

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I agree in principle with what Ossoi is saying, not with his condescending tone though
I have a low tolerance threshold for idiots

But coincidentally I was just reading this article on the Liverpool/Uruguay Central Defender, Sebastian CoatesLuis Suárez can show England he is the best, says Sebast?*an Coates | Football | The Guardian

And this quote jumped out:

"Given his size and style - he is 6ft 5ins tall and powerfully built - it is natural that he sees himself as suited to the English game; "

So yeah, 6ft 5 isn't tall by NBA standards (I presume), but it is tall by football standards - Ferdinand is 6ft2 and Terry is 6ft1.5
 

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Everytime I see that Samsung Galaxy advert, I can't help but laugh.

Rooney is so out of place in the same advert with Ronaldo and Messi.
 

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Here is how the US works with our major sports and development(its mostly school-based)

NBA - Elite kids play both for their local high school, as well as an AAU team, which is basically a travelling club for the offseason. There are FAR less AAU teams than High School teams(probably 10s of thousands of high school teams, and maybe hundreds at most of AAU teams. The AAU circuit is for the elite only). After that point the only real options in the past have either been straight to the pros(NBA) if you are one of the 5-10 best players in the whole country, or you go to college, and there's 300+ Division 1 college teams in the US, and many, many lower division college teams, but all of the eventual NBA talent comes from the D-1 level). The NBA in recent years has created a Developmental League(D-League) which is basically like a minor-league system to develop players that are done with school, but not quite ready for the NBA yet.

NFL - all school. There are no elite club-like teams or development system. You go from high school(10,000+ teams) to college(120ish elite-level D1 teams) to NFL. That's it.

MLB - The most similar system to soccer in the rest of the world. The school route is available, Major Leage Baseball will draft players right from highschool or from college. At either point, players then go into the minor league system. There are HUNDREDS of minor league teams, of varying skill levels. Each of the 30 pro MLB teams has anywhere from 3-5 minor league teams. A, AA, AAA levels. Most players spend several years working through the minors, improving their game, before they are MLB/pro ready. Virtually nobody goes straight from being drafted, to a pro team, unlike the NBA or NFL where virtually everybody gets drafted straight into the pro teams.

So really, the US is kind of used to the school -> pro method of sports. Peoples local schools that they attend have traditionally been the source of their athletic training, not private clubs or private trainers. Obviously, the quality of the training that you receive from a school can vary WILDLY. From my personal experience, my high school had its head soccer coach(also a science teacher) who had spent some time playing professional indoor soccer in the US, so the quality of training that our team received was probably better than most, but obviously nowhere near the level of teams or clubs in Europe that are coached by former international players.

And honestly, the US doesn't really have a massive pool of ex players and coaches with international experience to set up a huge system of training clubs and facilities. We're getting there, but it takes time.
That's pretty much where I was going when I mentioned 'professional infrastructure'. Think about baseball for a minute and how many layers there are to that before even talking about MLB. Even football, which starts at peewee, through middle and high school then college. What would be soccer's equivalent to that in the US? It's not like every single high school is fielding a soccer team.