World of Warcraft: Classic

a c i d.f l y · Jun 18, 2018

The only thing we bitched about during Classic were server outages, queues, loot lag and bad players. Ok, yeah, honestly managing DKP and getting 40 players could be an issue unless they only have one server, or "LF2M for BRD need tank and heals", but I still have issues finding +15 key mythics or getting accepted to a heroic Antorus clear even with a 970+ gearscore. QOL stuff like expensive respecs I'd take over having to change my spec between every fuckin fight.

40 man UBRS was pretty dumb, though, though I miss the 40 man "dungeon" runs cycling through 5 folks at a time on one of the bosses in Stratholme live side, since he wasn't a raid quest. To be fair, 15 man UBRS was still pretty damn hard. Which version is in 1.12? The 15, 10, or 5? It's been so long...

a c i d.f l y · Jun 18, 2018

UBRS was changed to 5 man in Cataclysm with all the dungeon revisions. UBRS will be 15 man in 1.12. Apparently most of the lower dungeons will still be "up to 10 man", since that didn't change until 2.4. BRD, Dire Maul, Stratholme and Scholomance will be 5 man restricted.

WoW -> Info -> Basics -> World Dungeons

Did they fix dropping raid to do quests at that point?

Needless · Jun 18, 2018

pretty sure that was still a thing long into TBC+ hell it might even still be a thing lol

i actually had no idea you could do 10 people in old lower lvl dungeons back then wtf

Khane · Jun 18, 2018

I think it was originally 15 even in strath/scholo

a c i d.f l y · Jun 18, 2018

In the beginning, the only limit was the maximum raid size, which was 40 players. They "fixed" that, and we hadn't gotten the shortcut to MC yet, so we had to shuttle a few players at a time through BRD, which was fucking frustrating as hell because it made wiping a huge endeavor, especially since mobs respawned on a very short timer in BRD, and I specifically remember waiting for the "main group" (GM+officers) to re-clear before funneling players back into MC. Fortunately the shortcut was added rather quickly.

They learned their lesson with BWL, and put that shortcut in at the same time BWL came out. Getting folks attuned was still originally a PITA, but that really only took a week, and a million times better than having to clear 80% of UBRS to get to that portal.

Needless · Jun 18, 2018

I remember strath/scholo like that but never even considered the lower dungeons to be like that, i always just did 5 lol

wild

Kuro · Jun 18, 2018

Haven't most of the successful emus used 1.12 as their foundation, and then rolled back content for paced out release?

xzi · Jun 18, 2018

Kyougou said:
So, what about the business plan for this, is everyone assuming it will just be added as a free option to anyone with an active wow subscription?

That's my guess at least, mostly because they can claim wow has REALLY HIGH SUB NUMBERS and they make the extra 60$ from forcing you to pay for the new expansion. I mean that's what I would do if I was a company.

Malakriss said:
Dire Maul or Silithus quest lines on launch with a laundry list of other changes by 1.12 is not going to be an accurate vanilla experience.

"1.12 isn't classic" and claiming EMU are better, just know almost every single EMU server runs 1.12 but they do still do progression. Although people are definitely going to claim otherwise.

Needless · Jun 18, 2018

i just want them to gate AQ behind that god awful, farm 800,000 runecloth bandages clusterfuck lol

Malakriss · Jun 18, 2018

Needless said:
i just want them to gate AQ behind that god awful, farm 800,000 runecloth bandages clusterfuck lol

It was worse than that: Linen. The most useless low level one no one would have ever touched otherwise required the most.

Needless · Jun 18, 2018

oh the entire thing was awful hahah but it must be relived!

LachiusTZ · Jun 18, 2018

Khane said:
What about patch 1.12 is enough to make you say no thanks?

Windfury / sword spec / that BRD thing (non dmg spells proc'ing WF, WF proc'ing off WF), bugged pally stuff, I think some of the warlock changes were then or prior as well. All the really fun super OP shit was gone by then. All the buggy stuff, the things that made the game fun imo.

If I wanted 1.12 there have been, as a dozen have now stated, a mountain of EMUs to play. But they all go 1.12 instead of true classic.

Khane said:
I think it was originally 15 even in strath/scholo

I went from 57 to 60 in 40man Scholo / Strat runs.

a c i d.f l y · Jun 18, 2018

I recall the reason PALS 4 LIFE existed on the Laughing Skull server was the original ability to 5 man dungeons with all paladins and just stack Concecration, with durability, heals, and avg dps, but good sustained aoe dps. Before the hybrid tax really smashed the class into the ground, and there wasn't any gear to sustain them into raiding that way.

Khane · Jun 18, 2018

LachiusTZ said:
Windfury / sword spec / that BRD thing (non dmg spells proc'ing WF, WF proc'ing off WF), bugged pally stuff, I think some of the warlock changes were then or prior as well. All the really fun super OP shit was gone by then. All the buggy stuff, the things that made the game fun imo.

If I wanted 1.12 there have been, as a dozen have now stated, a mountain of EMUs to play. But they all go 1.12 instead of true classic.

I went from 57 to 60 in 40man Scholo / Strat runs.

So you don't want to play a real game. You just want to make one as braindead and brokenly easy as possible?

Arbitrary · Jun 18, 2018

I get wanting to relive some of the crazy broken shit of a game but I also think it's reasonable to expect the people setting the game up to try and fade all that nonsense.

a c i d.f l y · Jun 18, 2018

Khane said:
So you don't want to play a real game. You just want to make one as braindead and brokenly easy as possible?

Trust me when I say that shit didn't make raids easy with rogues pulling aggro off a WF chain. Like a lot of stupid decisions, it was nurfed because of pvp. Though it's not like rogues were even top dps in raids due to boss armor and miss rates.

Khane · Jun 18, 2018

I was a horde player I know the pain. I was just commenting on him crying that the game won't be fun for him because he can't be brokenly OP.

Flobee · Jun 18, 2018

Khane said:
I was a horde player I know the pain. I was just commenting on him crying that the game won't be fun for him because he can't be brokenly OP.

I killed a 60 priest at like level 38 in arathi highlands on my shaman with a stupid lucky string of WF procs. Classic is trash if they take that away. I only want the shit that favored me to be in

a c i d.f l y · Jun 18, 2018

"If I can't sheep a player and stack arcane power plus t2 bonus plus trinkets and three shot players, I'm out." (actually I think this would still be viable in 1.12)

Khane · Jun 18, 2018

If I can't PoM Pyro + Fireblast global someone I'm out!

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