World of Warcraft: Classic

Jasker · Oct 26, 2023

Jasker said:
We'll do the things necessary to make a great and memorable product.

Understanding this is genuinely digging as hard as you can at dozens of dozens of known and unknown gamers and getting their input and information on things about the game and what they need and want, this can be done in multiple ways. Not referring to a please everyone stance, btw.

BoozeCube · Oct 26, 2023

Jasker said:
This.

I was in disc last night with a bunch of guys ruminating on the potential C+ announcement and basically repeated this.

They won't care to dig deep with the true nature of what it means.

At best they'll look over at Turtlewow, but probably not.

Hire BoozeCube and Jasker Blizzard.

We'll do the things necessary to make a great and memorable product.

Shit Blizzard wouldn't want to hire me. I'd make the next expansion some cross between a 90s Arnold action flick and a soft core Shanon Tweed prono.

You guys would be raiding Indiana Jones Tombs while big titty elf chick's are chained up by evil orcs with demon blood.

Illidan and Arthas would be a tag team duo pulling out Ultimate Warrior lines and hitting Uther with a folding chair. Thrall can be Ric Flair.

Daidraco · Oct 27, 2023

BoozeCube said:
Shit Blizzard wouldn't want to hire me. I'd make the next expansion some cross between a 90s Arnold action flick and a soft core Shanon Tweed prono.

You guys would be raiding Indiana Jones Tombs while big titty elf chick's are chained up by evil orcs with demon blood.

Illidan and Arthas would be a tag team duo pulling out Ultimate Warrior lines and hitting Uther with a folding chair. Thrall can be Ric Flair.

You say this in jest, but thats all we've ever wanted.

Uriel · Oct 27, 2023

Daidraco said:
You say this in jest, but thats all we've ever wanted.

And they hate us for wanting that.

Chris · Oct 29, 2023

BoozeCube said:
Shit Blizzard wouldn't want to hire me. I'd make the next expansion some cross between a 90s Arnold action flick and a soft core Shanon Tweed prono.

You guys would be raiding Indiana Jones Tombs while big titty elf chick's are chained up by evil orcs with demon blood.

Illidan and Arthas would be a tag team duo pulling out Ultimate Warrior lines and hitting Uther with a folding chair. Thrall can be Ric Flair.

This isn't even a joke.

If you are not getting the teen market share, this is the right move since your audience are now adults.

If we are getting nude scenes and swearing in Final Fantasy and Baldur's Gate, pov nude sex scenes in Cyberpunk... why not in Warcraft and get the entire Millenial market share back?

New expansion system should be romance options. I'd grind rep for months to see what's under Maiev's armour and turn her straight.

Ossoi · Oct 29, 2023

Lambourne said:
"this would be better if it had harder raids so it's more like retail".

Umm classic raids posed zero challenge at all due to the game being 110% figured out and players min maxing every aspect of the game to the nth degree

Lambourne · Oct 29, 2023

Ossoi said:
Umm classic raids posed zero challenge at all due to the game being 110% figured out and players min maxing every aspect of the game to the nth degree

And this wasn't a problem at all.

It's also far from zero challenge in that there's still enough that can go wrong. It just didn't need to be made any harder in order to satisfy the target audience.

Ossoi · Oct 29, 2023

Lambourne said:
And this wasn't a problem at all.

It's also far from zero challenge in that there's still enough that can go wrong. It just didn't need to be made any harder in order to satisfy the target audience.

moronic take. The players invented the speed run meta in order to insert some challenge into what was a free loot pinata. The same players that were demanding the release of official classic servers.

"enough that can go wrong" lol. Thanks for confirming your skill level in a 20 year old game.

"hard-er" lmao

BoozeCube · Oct 29, 2023

Ossoi said:
moronic take. The players invented the speed run meta in order to insert some challenge into what was a free loot pinata. The same players that were demanding the release of official classic servers.

"enough that can go wrong" lol. Thanks for confirming your skill level in a 20 year old game.

"hard-er" lmao

The speed running meta was like 1/4th of 1% of autistic raiders. Shit I bet 90% of classic playerbase never even raided at all.

The reason turtle Wow and shit exists isn't because they wanted to time how quickly they can clear MC.

Chanur · Oct 29, 2023

Focusing on what raiders wanted is what turned retail into a shit show. That's the last thing they should do for classic.

Ossoi · Oct 29, 2023

BoozeCube said:
The speed running meta was like 1/4th of 1% of autistic raiders.

Do you deny it's the private server community that fuelled the demand for wow classic?

BoozeCube said:
Shit I bet 90% of classic playerbase never even raided at all.

You really are retarded if you genuinely think that.

BoozeCube said:
The reason turtle Wow

One niche server does not support your argument.

Just a reminder that pre-classic I told you all exactly what was going to happen and who was going to do it - (APES to clear MC in week1) and you all laughed, jeered and said I didn't know what I was talking about.

I then went on to be a world top 5 speed run guild resto druid whilst you guys are here 4 years later complaining wow classic shouldn't be made any harder, lmao

Khane · Oct 29, 2023

Chanur said:
Focusing on what raiders wanted is what turned retail into a shit show. That's the last thing they should do for classic.

It's actually worse than that. They were trying to "beat" the highest end raiders and "win". That's how bad their hubris is.

The state of retail end game isn't because raiders wanted it. It's because the developers thought they made hard content, and then the bleeding edge beat it in days instead of weeks. So they kept trying to make it "harder" by neutering and removing things from the rest of the game that the raiders were using to gain advantages. Over and over.

Blizzard has been a company full of bratty little twats for a long, long time.

Leon · Oct 29, 2023

Khane said:
It's actually worse than that. They were trying to "beat" the highest end raiders and "win". That's how bad their hubris is.

The state of retail end game isn't because raiders wanted it. It's because the developers thought they made hard content, and then the bleeding edge beat it in days instead of weeks. So they kept trying to make it "harder" by neutering and removing things from the rest of the game that the raiders were using to gain advantages. Over and over.

Blizzard has been a company full of bratty little twats for a long, long time.

Fucking exactly this. Couldn't have summed it up better.

Zog · Oct 29, 2023

I don't think high end raiding is really the issue, the problem is everything else in the game including the entire journey to "when the real game starts" is pointless and tedious.

Classic was the flagship product that was completely fleshed out with content 1-60 with raids tacked on that were relevant to progressing the story to its proper ending.

Tbc and wrath were natural progressions that should have ended the story but... The constant need to produce new mechanics in a game already post climax is where the "meh" starts to really take over.

We don't need classic+, we need something new and fresh that is overflowing with content.

New raids, new land is just bloat and you'll never get enough without significant time invested to make that content mesh with the original classic content without making it obsolete and recreating the same problem current era wow is infested with.

We need a new game.

Khane · Oct 29, 2023

Zog said:
I don't think high end raiding is really the issue, the problem is everything else in the game including the entire journey to "when the real game starts" is pointless and tedious.

The point was, you can blame Blizzard staff's hatred of "losing" to high end raiders for how awful the rest of the game feels now.

Palum · Oct 29, 2023

Khane said:
The point was, you can blame Blizzard staff's hatred of "losing" to high end raiders for how awful the rest of the game feels now.

Yes. Why haven't they reigned in addons? Because that is how they play their gay footsie games with the high end raiding scene. Why the fuck weak auras are still a thing boggles the mind. What new player even has a clue what's going on much less how to play?

Khane · Oct 29, 2023

Palum said:
Yes. Why haven't they reigned in addons? Because that is how they play their gay footsie games with the high end raiding scene. Why the fuck weak auras are still a thing boggles the mind. What new player even has a clue what's going on much less how to play?

AddOns are the #1 reason the stupid "Arms Race" started happening. Blizzard kept trying to invent raid mechanics that couldn't be "solved" by addons, and then addon makers found ways to do exactly that.

I still almost fall out of my chair at some of the shit design they've implemented just to try and neutralize addons in raids instead of just culling their functionality like they should have in the first place. Mekkatorque has got to be the dumbest fucking fight they've ever created. I felt like I was playing a guessing game with my 3 year old niece in that fight.

"What color is that one?"
RED!
"What color is this one?"
BLUE
"What color is that one over there?"
GREEN

"GREAT JOB KIDDO YOU DID IT!!!!!!!"

Fucking lol.

Chanur · Oct 29, 2023

I don't care about more raids, more is fine though. I want more dungeons and mini raids like UBRS and LBRS.

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Needless · Oct 30, 2023

Chanur said:
I don't care about more raids, more is fine though. I want more dungeons and mini raids like UBRS and LBRS.

Less 40 man shit -- more 10/15 man content for me. ZG/Kara/ZA and UBRS sized content is where its at, having to deal with naxx 40 consumables and 40 people was actually just super draining when mechanics got more punishing compared to MC lol

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